From ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!wupost!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!esatst!estsi1!estsi1!news Wed Sep 11 08:34:40 PDT 1991 Article: 21436 of rec.music.synth Path: ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!wupost!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!esatst!estsi1!estsi1!news From: andrea@si.estec.nl (system engineer) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: -- A BIT OF EVERYTHING -- Message-ID: <1991Sep5.144622.14732@si.estec.nl> Date: 5 Sep 91 14:46:22 GMT Sender: @si.estec.nl Reply-To: andrea@si.estec.nl Organization: European Space Research and Technology center (SI) Lines: 44 Hy everybody, I have few questions for the expert of the group: 1: What can you tell me about the EVS-1 Evolution rack module. It looks it is a very powerful and cheap (!!) tool for sounds synthesis (FM, PM, Additive, Partial analog-subtractive, Formants, Ring Modulation, AM. table synthesis and matrix modulation). All in one 19' rack at 795 Dutch Gulden ( ~340 USA $). It is built from an English company around a 24 bit DSP chip (I don't know wich one !!) DA conversion 16 bit 44.1 Khz multitimbral 16 voices but only 2 output and no editing facilitiies from the panel, altought it comes with an ATARI ST graphical editor ! Any owner out there ??? 2: Is the Oberhaim XPANDER the rack version of the Matrix 12 ?? What is the difference between the Matrix6/6R/1000 and the Matrix 12 ??? Is the 12 formed by two 6 ?? or no ?? Or there are some difference in terms of DCO,DCF,DCA number of voices etc etc ?? 3: What people thinks is the best "hybrid synthesizer" ??? Hybrid in the sense that is based on the typical analog fashion but with digital implementation (DCO,DCF,DCA). Like ROLAND Super JX/MKS70, Oberhaim 1000 etc !!! Thanks already in advance !!! CIAO ANDREA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrea TONI (SI) Planetary and Space Science Division ESA-ESTEC European Space Research and Technology Center Keplerlaan 1 Computers Operations 2200 AG Noordwik (HOLLAND) United States of EUROPE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet andrea@si.estec.nl MIPS in Computers are like HP in my DUCATI, Watts in my SANSUI, CDs on my Telephone Int +31 1719 83606 shelves and synthesizers in my flat .. TeleFAX Int +31 1719 84697 .. they are just never enough !!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!tulane!ukma!rutgers!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!metlay Wed Sep 11 08:39:06 PDT 1991 Article: 21496 of rec.music.synth Path: ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!tulane!ukma!rutgers!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!metlay From: metlay+@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Metlay) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: -- A BIT OF EVERYTHING -- Summary: Xpander information and analog chest-thumping (of course) Message-ID: <1991Sep06.164505.122972@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 6 Sep 91 16:45:05 GMT References: <1991Sep5.144622.14732@si.estec.nl> Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 49 Nntp-Posting-Host: organ.music.cs.cmu.edu In article <1991Sep5.144622.14732@si.estec.nl> andrea@si.estec.nl writes: >I have few questions for the expert of the group: Hm? *yawn* Somebody call me? >1: What can you tell me about the EVS-1 Evolution rack module. Absolutely nothing. It sounds like one of those nifty boxes that you Europeans get to play with while we poor sods in the US of A have to deal with local makes like Ensoniq....(INCOMING!!! |-> ) >2: Is the Oberhaim XPANDER the rack version of the Matrix 12 ?? Nope. The two machines are identical in basic architecture, but the Xpander has only six voices, CV/Gate inputs rather than a keyboard, and is a bit smaller than the M12-- but it is NOT rackmountable. The circuit boards are huge and dense; it is bigger than many keyboards. > What is the difference between the Matrix6/6R/1000 and the > Matrix 12 ??? Is the 12 formed by two 6 ?? or no ?? No! The Matrix 6/6R/1000 uses a DCO based architecture somewhat similar to the Xpander and M12, but it has fewer LFOs and Envelopes, a VCF with only one mode (4pole lowpass) rather than 15, and DCOs rather than CEM dual VCO chips. >3: What people thinks is the best "hybrid synthesizer" ??? > Hybrid in the sense that is based on the typical analog fashion > but with digital implementation (DCO,DCF,DCA). > Like ROLAND Super JX/MKS70, Oberhaim 1000 etc !!! If it has DCOs, it isn't worth the plastic it's made of unless you happen to LIKE wimpiness disguised as "silkiness" (thanks to N. Rothwell, shamed MKS-70 owner, for that lovely euphemism). Buy an Xpander or a Sequential Prophet T8 or a Roland SuperJupe MKS-80 and do some REAL damage. >Thanks already in advance !!! Hey, you asked the expert.... >CIAO ANDREA Ciao, Andrea. -- metlay | The good news is that he desires nothing xpander-loving old curmudgeon | more for his music 'rep' than a cameo in | SAVAGE HENRY COMICS. metlay@organ.music.cs.cmu.edu | The bad news is, he's likely to make it. From ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!stout.atd.ucar.edu!schabtac Wed Sep 11 08:39:42 PDT 1991 Article: 21543 of rec.music.synth Path: ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!stout.atd.ucar.edu!schabtac From: schabtac@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Adam Schabtach) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: -- A BIT OF EVERYTHING -- Message-ID: <12810@ncar.ucar.edu> Date: 7 Sep 91 05:33:45 GMT References: <1991Sep5.144622.14732@si.estec.nl> <1991Sep06.164505.122972@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 25 In article <1991Sep06.164505.122972@cs.cmu.edu> metlay+@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Metlay) writes: >In article <1991Sep5.144622.14732@si.estec.nl> andrea@si.estec.nl writes: >>1: What can you tell me about the EVS-1 Evolution rack module. > >Absolutely nothing. Ditto. Has anyone seen anything about this box in the press? It sounds like a great device. Wonder if it will ever make it to market (or, even less likely, to market in the US). >>3: What people thinks is the best "hybrid synthesizer" ??? >> Hybrid in the sense that is based on the typical analog fashion >> but with digital implementation (DCO,DCF,DCA). > [ . . . ] >MKS-70 owner, for that lovely euphemism). Buy an Xpander or a Sequential >Prophet T8 or a Roland SuperJupe MKS-80 and do some REAL damage. Or, if you want something that's still in production and hence somewhat easier to find, buy a Waldorf Microwave. Guaranteed to rattle your fillings. -- --Adam schabtac@stout.atd.ucar.edu Disclaimer: The above has nothing to do with NCAR.