From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!morrow.stanford.edu!news Thu Mar 26 14:46:51 PST 1992 Article: 31721 of rec.music.synth Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!morrow.stanford.edu!news From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) Subject: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Message-ID: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> Sender: news@morrow.stanford.edu (News Service) Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 18:12:51 GMT Lines: 7 I'd like to pit the Roland JX-8P against the Korg DW-8000. Who has opinions on these digital/analog hybrids, and which do you like better? -- Tim From orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!linac!att!rutgers!bagate!dsinc!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay Thu Mar 26 14:47:05 PST 1992 Article: 31754 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!linac!att!rutgers!bagate!dsinc!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Summary: specifications Message-ID: <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 25 Mar 92 22:56:52 GMT References: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> Sender: news@unix.cis.pitt.edu Organization: Atomic City Lines: 36 In article <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes: >I'd like to pit the Roland JX-8P against the Korg DW-8000. In what? Mud wrestling? >Who has opinions on these digital/analog hybrids, I have an opinion on EVERYTHING. |-> >and which do you like better? Yes. Seriously, though, they're two different machines with two different sounds as far as I'm concerned. The JX8P has only six voices and its pressure sensor is user unfriendly, but it's (DCO) analog, and does a good job of it too. The DW-8000 is eight-voice analog/digital hybrid with single cycle wavesamples, but it doesn't have cross modulation and its UI is considerably inferior to the JX's (especially if you hang a PG-300 off the JX). The DW has the best fake-Rhodes sound I've ever heard, and the JX8P has a preset that everyone up to Tangerine Dream (or should that be DOWN to TD?) uses, which we've nicknamed The God Patch because a friend of mine played it and shrugged and said, "That's it. I can die now. I've heard God." If you're wondering about general use in a studio, the DW has a bit more programming breadth than the JX but the JX has more analog character. Both units have passable MIDI implementations, and both are available cheap. Is there anything more specific you need to know? -- metlay | "If you have been so devious as to get this message, @minerva. | you will understand it, and you will deserve no sympathy." phyast. | pitt.edu | -- Donald Knuth, in the TeXBook's chapter on error messages. From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!udel!brahms.udel.edu!larry Thu Mar 26 14:47:13 PST 1992 Article: 31767 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!udel!brahms.udel.edu!larry From: larry@bach.udel.edu (Larry Larraga) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Message-ID: <18657@bach.udel.edu> Date: 26 Mar 92 14:25:08 GMT References: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 16 In article <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes: }I'd like to pit the Roland JX-8P against the Korg DW-8000. } }Who has opinions on these digital/analog hybrids, }and which do you like better? In strictly subjective terms, I find that I use the DW-8000 (actually, I have an EX-) for more sounds that need to cut through a mix and Roland analogs for warmer, foundational sounds - pads, movement behind the mix, etc. Not that the DW can't be warm and the JX can't bite, but that's just how things work out in past mixes for me... Get both! Or get a K2000.... ;-) -- Larry Larraga University of Delaware Microcomputing Resource Center Senior Analyst 040 Smith Hall Newark, Delaware, 19716 (302) 831-8895 Internet: larry@chopin.udel.edu Larry.Larraga@taco.cns.udel.edu From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!news Thu Mar 26 14:48:05 PST 1992 Article: 31774 of rec.music.synth Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!news From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Message-ID: <1992Mar26.163940.28055@morrow.stanford.edu> Sender: news@morrow.stanford.edu (News Service) Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 16:39:40 GMT Lines: 35 metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes: >In article <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes: >>I'd like to pit the Roland JX-8P against the Korg DW-8000. > >In what? Mud wrestling? Careful. Big brother JX-10 might step in and settle everything. Unless the Korg can grab control of the PG-300--then it's a whole new ballgame. ... >If you're wondering about general use in a studio, the DW has a bit more >programming breadth than the JX but the JX has more analog character. >Both units have passable MIDI implementations, and both are available >cheap. Is there anything more specific you need to know? Aha. I thought the JX sounded more analog somehow, but what do I know from analog? Is this due to the DCO's? So I take it they aren't mere software produced waves like in the D-50? In the case of the DW's digital waveforms, how are they any different, or more interesting, than samples? Can you do wavetable type modulation? The upshot is, I'd like to add a little analog to the mix, but in something that is still a decent MIDI keyboard. Which narrows the field considerably since I don't want to spend what, say, a Prophet 5 with retrofit would run. Something like a Jupiter-6 is cheap, but it doesn't have velocity. C'mon, I can't function without velocity. -- Tim Kaufman Controller's Office Stanford University as.tlk@forsythe.stanford.edu From orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!noao!amethyst!organpipe.uug.arizona.edu!NSMA.AriZonA.EdU!michael Thu Mar 26 14:48:28 PST 1992 Article: 31787 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!noao!amethyst!organpipe.uug.arizona.edu!NSMA.AriZonA.EdU!michael From: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Message-ID: <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 26 Mar 92 17:58:55 GMT References: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Reply-To: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) Organization: Center for Neural Systems, Memory, and Aging Lines: 36 In article <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes: >In article <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes: >>I'd like to pit the Roland JX-8P against the Korg DW-8000. > > [...] >but it doesn't have cross modulation and its UI is considerably inferior to >the JX's (especially if you hang a PG-300 off the JX). The DW has the best Does the PG-300 work with the JX-8P? I borrowed one once and plugged it on one and didn't get diddly. I figured that since the JX-8P's manual only talked about the PG-800 programmer, the PG-300 was probably just incompatible. Maybe it just didn't work? Or I just didn't work :-) ? Please let me know what I need to do to get compatibility, such that I may go buy that puppy..... >fake-Rhodes sound I've ever heard, and the JX8P has a preset that everyone >up to Tangerine Dream (or should that be DOWN to TD?) uses, which we've >nicknamed The God Patch because a friend of mine played it and shrugged >and said, "That's it. I can die now. I've heard God." > This is one of the built-in patches? Which one? (of course, if I'm even naive enough to ask, I must not have hear it yet, put I don't mind being Born-Again :-) ) Thanks! Michael <><-><--><---><----><-----><------><======><------><-----><----><---><--><-><> Michael Williams, michael@nsma.arizona.edu University of Arizona's Division of Neural Systems, Memory & Aging 344 Life Sciences Bldg, North Tucson, AZ 85724 (602)626-2611 <><-><--><---><----><-----><------><======><------><-----><----><---><--><-><> From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!yale!cs.yale.edu!news Thu Mar 26 14:48:41 PST 1992 Article: 31792 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!yale!cs.yale.edu!news From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Message-ID: <1992Mar26.195352.23872@cs.yale.edu> Date: 26 Mar 92 19:53:52 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.1992Mar26.195352.23872 References: <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: jacobi.biology.yale.edu In article <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes: > Seriously, though, they're two different machines with two different sounds > as far as I'm concerned. The JX8P has only six voices and its pressure sensor > is user unfriendly, I recall an tech tip in an issue of Electronic Musician years ago that detailed a quick fix to the JX-8P pressure sensor system that made it much easier to use. Also, the DW-8000 can be upgraded with a 3rd party ROM from Angel City Audio (Middletown, CT) that adds significant additional functionality. -- Nathan Janette "I'm a NeXTstep man, Dept MB&B, Yale Univ I'm a NeXTcube guy" New Haven, CT nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT) From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!wupost!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!ymatsumoto Fri Mar 27 09:12:02 PST 1992 Article: 31809 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!wupost!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!ymatsumoto Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: PG-300/800 (was JX-8P vs DW-8000) Message-ID: <1992Mar26.180217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> From: ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Sardana) Date: 26 Mar 92 18:02:17 EST References: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.wesleyan.edu Lines: 20 In article <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) writes: > Does the PG-300 work with the JX-8P? I borrowed one once and plugged it > on one and didn't get diddly. I figured that since the JX-8P's manual > only talked about the PG-800 programmer, the PG-300 was probably > just incompatible. Maybe it just didn't work? Or I just didn't work :-) ? > Please let me know what I need to do to get compatibility, such that > I may go buy that puppy..... The PG-300 was made for the Alpha-Junos and MKS-50. Only the PG-800 works on the JX-8P/JX-10P/MKS-70. By the way does anyone know what MIDI messages are sent every time a slider is moved on the PG-300 or PG-800? I couldn't get any data into the Mac with the PG-300... And just for your information both the PG-300 and 800 are difficult to track down (I tried); I don't think too many people bothered to get the 300 with their Junos (as it was an entry level synth). As for the 800s very few people are willing to depart with theirs for the JX is a pain to program otherwise. From orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!dsinc!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay Fri Mar 27 12:59:54 PST 1992 Article: 31813 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!dsinc!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: JX-8P vs. DW-8000 Summary: Correction Message-ID: <203999@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 27 Mar 92 00:51:54 GMT References: <1992Mar25.181251.4332@morrow.stanford.edu> <203918@unix.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Sender: news@unix.cis.pitt.edu Organization: Atomic City Lines: 22 In article <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) writes: >Does the PG-300 work with the JX-8P? I borrowed one once and plugged it >on one and didn't get diddly. I figured that since the JX-8P's manual >only talked about the PG-800 ... My goof. Thr PG-800 IS the one you want. The 300 works with the MKS-50 and alpha Junos, and the PG-200 with the JX3P and GR-700, and the PG-1000 with the D-50, and the PG-10 with the D-10, and, and, AIIIIEEEEE!!! >>nicknamed The God Patch because a friend of mine played it and shrugged >>and said, "That's it. I can die now. I've heard God." >This is one of the built-in patches? Which one? It's Preset Number 8, "Voices," I think. It's all over UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, LEGEND, and other TD albums from around 1986. I love it, but your mileage and degree of salvation may vary. |-> -- metlay | "If you have been so devious as to get this message, @minerva. | you will understand it, and you will deserve no sympathy." phyast. | pitt.edu | -- Donald Knuth, in the TeXBook's chapter on error messages. From orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay Mon Mar 30 11:28:07 PST 1992 Article: 31880 of rec.music.synth Path: orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!minerva!metlay From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Re: Alpha Juno & RE: PG-300/800 (was JX-8P vs DW-8000) Summary: nolo contendre, dude. Keywords: Roland Juno JX-8P PG800 Message-ID: <204038@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 27 Mar 92 22:47:19 GMT References: <1992Mar26.175855.4343@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1992Mar26.180217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <1992Mar27.170717.12791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Sender: news@unix.cis.pitt.edu Organization: Atomic City Lines: 19 In article <1992Mar27.170717.12791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) writes: >So- I have access to the PG300. I have the JX8P. Does this mean that it >would be easier getting an Alpha Juno than it would be a PG800? Seriously- >and since I've never used the Alpha, would it be a good synth to acquire? >(I know that this is subjective, but please give me your opinions....) Hardly worth a trade of a JX8P. They're newer and cheaper boards, with less flexible architecture. In particular, the aJuno 1 is inferior to the JXes-- only one oscillator. The JX makes me sigh, the alpha makes me yawn. -- metlay | "If you have been so devious as to get this message, @minerva. | you will understand it, and you will deserve no sympathy." phyast. | pitt.edu | -- Donald Knuth, in the TeXBook's chapter on error messages.