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GUS Musician's Digest       Fri, 28 Oct 94 11:47 PST     Volume 9: Issue  22  

Today's Topics:
              About SoundBlaster cables and Angst tapes
               GUS Midi controllers and Bank Switching
            Looking for help on SysEx (II) and MIDI cable
                              Pro Pats 3
                             ProPats 3.0
                           Propats Location
                   UltraMAX and MIDI sample loading
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:08:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Matthew M. Nordan @ 137" <mnordan@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: About SoundBlaster cables and Angst tapes

I have been using a Pro Audio Spectrum MIDI Cable (their cutesy name for 
it is the "MIDI Mate") for well over a year now with no problems.  I'm 
using a very cheesy Yamaha PSS-680 FM synth to control it.  (You know, 
non-velocity-sensitive, itty-bitty-Radio-Shack-looking keys?)

Second, to those who ordered Angst tapes from 137, they'll be in the mail 
by Saturday.  My hellish week of midterms is over . . . 

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:04:49 EDT
From: ivan@molson.ho.att.com (Ivan Strom)
Subject: GUS Midi controllers and Bank Switching

I had posted this a couple days back to gus-general - this is a more appropriate
forum.  Sorry about the crosspost.  I have also made some changes in the text.
I'd appreciate any comments on this, especially on proposal 3.


Albert Pauw asked in a previous digest:

>> And how about bankswitching? The bankmanager can do it. As far
>> as I can check it doesn't use the GS standard of Roland (which
>> is becomming a widely accepted one). Using controller #0 plus
>> the usual Program Change. Would be nice to have a similar bank
>> switching scheme and bank management. Bank 1 (Roland counts
>> from 1-128) is the General MIDI bank, and Bank 128 is the MT-32
>> bank.

What I have found is that the current windows drivers DO support
bankswitching , but do not support incremental patch loading,
thus only one bank may be specified (with fallback to bank 0 for
patches not in the specified bank).  The melodic/drum banks are
specified via the wBank argument of midiOutCachePatches and the
wPatch argument of midiOutCacheDrumPatches, not by direct interpretation
of controllers 0/32 nor by interpretation of a channel 10 program change.
Thus, for example, a sequencer could call midiOutCachePatches with a bank
of 128 (127?) to get a MT-32 mapping if someone wrote the correct mapping
into ultrasnd.ini.

The problem is that a sequencer needs to know what bank to request.
If, for example, I ask for bank 128 on channel 1, but don't specify
a bank for channel 2 (or specify a different bank number), what should
the sequencer assume?  Even within a single channel, what should the
sequencer assume if the bank is changed in the middle of a piece?

Proposal:
1) The "correct" solution would be for Gravis/Forte to implement incremental
   patch loading (i.e. not to treat a MIDI_CACHE_BESTFIT as a clear and
   reload, but rather as an append), so that patches from multiple banks
   could be loaded.
2) An expedient would be for sequencers to assume that the first non-zero bank
   encountered for melodics becomes the "controlling" bank, and to map this into
   the wBank argument of the midiOutCachePatches call.  (Similar logic for
   channel 10 drums).  For the GUS, both controllers 0 and 32 are used - a general
   sequencer might want a user-settable option to switch between 0/32, 0 only,
   and 32 only mappings (might be needed for bank switching for non-GUS cards).
3) Sequencer authors incorporate the bank arguments.  On an interim basis
   (until proposal 1 is done, and I have no idea if Gravis even plans to do #1 -
   any comment from Gravis) the bank arguments could be set either by
   using the expedient suggested in proposal 2, a sequencer setup screen
   allowing input of bank arguments, or a sequencer specific string or sysex.
   Any opinions here?  Any sequencer authors willing to implement something
   like this?

   Ivan Strom

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:24:01 +0100
From: A.PAUW@ELSEVIER.nl
Subject: Looking for help on SysEx (II) and MIDI cable

>> I asked Roland, but somehow I get the feeling costumer service is 
>> not common anymore: I had no reply whatsoever. And my dealer can't 
>> help me either.

I guess I was just too hasty. The day I send in this message I
received nice reply from Roland. Sorry guys.

By the way. Lots of people are talking about the midi cables. I
use one from a SoundBlaster clone (don't recall the brand) and
this works perfectly too! I also bought a nice interface/cable
from a company which has put a file about this in the info directory on
epas ultrasound somewhere. It has two leds on top, a green and a
red one. Build $19 and as a kit $13 (I think). It should arrive any
day now. If someone wants more info I can also give the (e-mail)
address. It's much much cheaper than Gravis' cable.

Oh yeah, if I have a cable, why another one? Well I have two
midi ports (one GUS, one SB).

Albert Pauw
a.pauw@elsevier.nl

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:16:48 -0400
From: Christopher McKillop <cdmckill@novice.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Pro Pats 3

								
Hello...

	Several people have asked, and no one has answered with a true 
responce... WHERE ARE ProPats 3????  I looked on epas and orst in both 
the submit and sound/patches/files and in the 00Index.ALL, there is not a 
mention of a Pro Pat 3....Could some kind soul take the time to dump them 
on epas sometime??? Or point me to a site that has them, thanks...

		Chris
		
><><><><><><><>  Christopher McKillop, Computer Engineering  <><><><><><><><>
University Of Waterloo                  "then it occured to me as he
cdmckill@novice.uwaterloo.ca - School      drove away, D = R x T...."
cmckillo@fox.nstn.ns.ca - Home                                 -The Pixies

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "K.S. Holly" <u8843389@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: ProPats 3.0

Someone suggested that we should get these now since there won't be 
another full release....

So where are they?  :-)

Kevin

p.s. I checked archive.orst.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:11:14 GMT
From: csfb1!csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@uunet.uu.net (Paul Cunnell)
Subject: Re: Propats Location

To anyone looking for Propats version 3 - I found them on:
archive.orst.edu, in directory pub/packages/gravis/submit.
They are called pp3-01.zip through pp3-19.zip
(yup, 19 zip files). I don't know whether anybody is
likely to clean up the submit area, in which case they
would probably move to:
pub/packages/gravis/sound/patches/files

Paul.

--
Paul Cunnell CSFB FOS (csfb1!csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@uunet.uu.net) +44 71 516 2946

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:26 GMT+0100
From: RTHI@btma74.se.bel.alcatel.be
Subject: UltraMAX and MIDI sample loading

Hi all,

I've just got myself a brand new MAX, only to find out that my old ultrasound
sounds a lot better than this MAX:-(

What's the problem...

After playing some midi files the sounds get worse. When I then check the 
instruments in the patch manager and play patch 48 (string ensemble) I hear a 
mixture of string AND a DRUM sound. So when a midi file uses 48 I also hear the 
ticks made by the drum:-(. Sometimes the same effect happens with other
instruments e.g. piano/drum.

When I unload and then upload the patch it sound great again.

Conclusion, after playing some midi files the patch loading gets corrupted.

Can somebody give me any ideas to solve this problem or give me some pointers
as to what can cause this problem?


Thanks

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:58:47 +0100
From: mr@nit.be (Marc Resibois)
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

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