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GUS Musician's Digest       Wed, 30 Nov 94 11:31 PST     Volume 10: Issue  23 

Today's Topics:
                     GUS and Digital Multi-track
                   Gus and Music and Drum machines
                GUS Musician's Digest V10 #22 (3 msgs)
                        Mail failure (9 msgs)
           My Experience with CakePro 3 and bank switching
                               Trackers

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:42:20 MST
From: Stuart Yoshida <yoshida@elektra.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: GUS and Digital Multi-track

>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:07:17 -0500 (EST)
>From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
>Subject: GUS and Music
>
>I'm trying to use my PC as a project studio.
>
>The first order of business is to use it as a multi-track recorder.

Have you looked into Quad Studio by Turtle Beach?  I'm favoring this direction
right now (I haven't bought the Quad Studio yet):

- Use the GUS as the Wavetable synthesizer
- Use the Turtle Beach 16-bit board as the recorder
- Use the Turtle Beach Quad software as the 4-track digital recorder

The Quad Studio software supposedly can handle up to 4 tracks of digital
audio simultaneously (if your hardware is robust enough to handle the
throughput, that is).  It can play back the other 3 tracks while
recording the 4th track, *AND* it can sync a sequencer program such as
Cakewalk to the digital tracks using MIDI Time Code.  Seems like my
dream come true.  But is it?

I don't know.  Does anyone have experience with this combination of the
GUS and Turtle Beach soundcard (I think it's called Tahiti)?

I've read about SAW, but it seems like overkill to me and a little bit
out of my price range.  Comments?  Suggestions?

--

  Stuart Yoshida

Internet: yoshida@fc.hp.com
   Voice: (303) 229-2324

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:34:24 -0800
From: Fred Handloser <fredh@hpcvusd.cv.hp.com>
Subject: Gus and Music and Drum machines

Hi Len,

>From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
>
>I'm trying to use my PC as a project studio.

Great.  Keep us posted on your progress.

>Most of my recordings are acoustic instruments so I don't use midi yet.
>But now I need a drum machine.  Are there any natural sounding drum kit
>patches for the GUS Max?  I'm also looking at the Boss DR-660 and Alesis

Did you get the "Power Chords" sequencer with your GUS?  It has
a nice drum interface.   It's fairly easy to make a 1, 2 or more
measure drum pattern and then put the patterns together to form
songs.   You can set the editor to loop while you are constructing
the pattern so you get direct feedback.   It's very interactive.

You can also get drum patterns from Howling Dog (the maker of Power Chords).

Eric Bell of Howling Dog just joined TBL so you may see some notes
from him there as well as here.

I've seen some patches on orst.archive.edu but I haven't had time to
try them yet.  I'll let you know if I find any good ones.


Fred Handloser

PS.  I still haven't (unfortunately) found the time to build your
     1x10 bass cabinet yet.

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 14:41:07 CST
From: cowles@hydra.convex.com (John Cowles)
Subject: Re: GUS Musician's Digest V10 #22

James W. Metz writes:

> Maybe some of you more experienced musicians can help me. How do I bring
> up the drum bank when I'm in MidiSoft? Whenever I click on a particular
> track to change the instrument, all I get is the melodic bank. I've combed
> the instructions to no avail. I've composed the rhythm tracks but I can't
> get the drums up. Please help. Thanks.

Drums play on channel 10. Besides changing the channel to 10, remember
that drums do NOT use patch changes to signify instrument changes as
the melodic instruments (on tracks 1-9 and 11-16) do. Patch changes on
the drum channel actually are 'BANK CHANGE' messages (which the GUS
midi drivers don't recognize yet), so it's best to have NO PATCH
CHANGES on the drum channel. Each different tone represents a different
percussion instrument.

John

-- 
     John Cowles        cowles@hydra.convex.com   CompuServe: 72074,451
                        Convex Computer Corp.  214 497 4375
                        3000 Waterview Pkwy
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:38:07 -0500
From: gord@smos.bc.ca (Gord Wait S-MOS Systems Vancouver Design Center)
Subject: Re: GUS Musician's Digest V10 #22

One comment on drum machines vs the gus (and max) is that the drum sounds
on the gus are fine compared with my Yamaha RX5 drum machine, but the cymbal
sounds are too short. (due to patch memory I presume). The cymbals in my
RX5 ring out much longer (like a real cymbal). So: the GUS is almost
as good as my RX5 for drum sounds. 

Having said that, my RX5 is pretty old stuff, and is probably blown away
by the newer drum machines (ie the DR660 or SR-16). Add to that the fact that
the gus starts dropping midi notes (under windows) with a midi file containing
a decent drum track, bass guitar and one keyboard track, I found I ended up
using my drum machine to offload the gus to prevent this from happening.

Summary: If you have the budget for an external drum machine, go for it,
you'll be better off. Winjammer (shareware) lets you break your midi
song up and send drums out via the midi cable, while letting the gus 
handle the rest.

Gord Wait 	S-MOS Systems Vancouver Design Centre
                (B.C. Canada eh!)
gord@smos.bc.ca 

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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 10:08:13 GMT
From: james@maths.ex.ac.uk
Subject: Re: GUS Musician's Digest V10 #22

>Most of my recordings are acoustic instruments so I don't use midi yet.
>But now I need a drum machine.  Are there any natural sounding drum kit
>patches for the GUS Max?

I dont know about 'natural sounding' but I've had some drum patches which sound
ed fairly acoustical- the only way to access if they suit you is to get ftp'ing
to the addresses at the end of the digest.  Get 00Index.ALL from the top level
and then take it from there.

>I'm also looking at the Boss DR-660 and Alesis
>SR-16 drum machines.  Can the GUS Max compare to them in sound quality?

Pass except I use a proper drum machine now instead of a gus and the way the 
dynamics of the notes varies with velocity and even pitch is better than the 
GUS.  But the GUS is a pretty good drum machine

>Can someone recommend drum patches that sound good and a good
>quality/reasonably-priced sequencer software package?

Powchords that comes with the GUS may look like a toy at first glance but its
a real gem, especially for drums.
Cakewalk is a good reliable sequencer

>  Once I have a
>sequence programmed, can I capture the midi data stream directly to a
> WAV file or do I have to play it analog and then record it to either
>the DAT or the GUS Max's recording input?

no .WAV files involved.  The GUS has a midi port on the back, you have to fit
some extra parts to make it work.

>I've also played with a few software mixers/editors.  Goldwave is a nice
>shareware program but only handles files that will fit in RAM.  Cool is
>crippled in its shareware form and doesn't handle recording and
>multi-tracking very well.  WAVElite is a joke; I can't even get it to
>recognize the GUS Max's 48 kHz sampling rate.  SAW is professional
>quality software (it is not cheap) that does everything I need but,
>though it is supposed to work with MPC soundcards, it seems to prefer
>Turtle Beach and DAL's boards; it has problems with the GUS Max.  Also,
>SAW likes Windows to run without the memory manager and the GUS windows
>driver needs the manager.

I didnt think that SAW worked with the GUS at all!
Get a magazine like Future Music, there are usually reviews of things that
can almost do what SAW can do.  I'd get shot of the GUS Max ( or get an old XT and
run it as a midi tone generator ) get something that works with SAW and a copy
of SAW.  I mean you have a DAT and a SPDIF card, make a proper job of it.

>Subject: Midi Soft
>Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.941127124252.16364A-100000@pinot.callamer.com>
>
>Maybe some of you more experienced musicians can help me. How do I bring
>up the drum bank when I'm in MidiSoft? Whenever I click on a particular
>track to change the instrument, all I get is the melodic bank. I've combed
>the instructions to no avail. I've composed the rhythm tracks but I can't
>get the drums up. Please help. Thanks.

The drums are assigned to different notes on channel 10.
I recommend writing the drums in powerchords, save as a midi file in
powerchords then load into midisoft, do a copy, load the track you are working
on and add the drums.

-- 
James Andrews, Computer Development Officer, Exeter University Maths Dept

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GUS Musician's Digest       Sun, 20 Nov 94 11:37 PST     Volume 10: Issue  16

Today's Topics:
                     GUS w/Band-in-a-Box/Windows

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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:11:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Chuck Dedman <dedmanc@iia.org>
Subject: GUS w/Band-in-a-Box/Windows

Trying to install Band-in-a-Box PRO for Windows version 6.0 to use with
the GUS MAX w/1MB RAM
  The only way I can get any sound is to pre-load the necessary samples,
play the song, go to the next song, pre-load needed samples, etc., etc.,
  Does anyone know of a way to cause BiaB/W to cache the necessary
samples on song load like 99.9% of all the other MIDI programs?
  The DOS version of BiaB works fine, but the windows version has lots
more bells and whistles.

Chuck

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:20:44 -0800 (PST)
From: YOUR WORSE NIGHTMARE!!! <gmontem@mercury.sfsu.edu>
Subject: My Experience with CakePro 3 and bank switching

Here's a "session" I had with CakeWalk Pro. 3 and bank switching:

I loaded a cakewalk file that came with the program.  I noticed the patch 
using Channel 10 (the drum patch) that it uses the Power Drums set.  
Fortunately I have an incomplete set of the Power Drum set (gsdrum16.zip and 
gsdrum08.zip), so I played the file hopefully that I would hear drums 
like that Gated Snare Drum. Switched to Patch Manager, it reports that it 
is using Bank 00 of the Drum set.  I switched back to CakeWalk Pro, 
stopped the file, and clicked on the patch.  It gave me a list of drum 
banks, like the Jazz Drums, Orchestral Drums, Brush Drums...  
Surprisingly, I found that Cakewalk registers the Power Drums as bank 17, 
not bank 16.  So I edited my ultrasnd.ini, renaming the Power Drums to 
bank 17.  After that, I went back to Cakewalk Pro, updated the patches, 
played the file, and.... voila!  I heard the Power Drums playing.  The 
verify that, I switched to Patch Manager and it says that Bank 17 drum 
set is loaded.

Bank Switching does work, but not automatically, however.  I loaded 
a midi file which Cakewalk prompted me whether to use the SysEx messages 
for autobank switch load (? or something like that?).

Is this what you mean by Incremental bank switching?  If so, I guess 
gravis needs to something about this.

So far, I asked Gravis to look over the Bank Switching concept.  I 
already sent them the previous digests that had the Bank Switching 
discussion.  Now, all we have to do is wait and hope.

BTW, can anyone please e-mail me or give me an FTP site for the GS 
Specification docs and more important, the list of all (or almost all) of
the instruments of the GS Specification (including the Banks)?

Thanks,
-George
<EOT>

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52 -0500
From: WADLEIGH@PROCESS.COM
Subject: Trackers

OK, there MUST be something new out there!  I want a tracker that 
will produce standard MOD and MTM files and works with a GUS.  I 
also want ease of use that approaches what I've gotten used to 
using in PowerChords Pro.  Any suggestions?

Hal

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