# believe in ghosts?

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## Post 1 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 17:29:38

well the subject says it all ... we've all heard about ghostly happenings, all probably know someone who claims to have seen a ghost, but do you believe?
After all, if you're religious, then your beliefs would tell you that your spirit goes to heaven if you've been good, or down below if you've been .. not so good, so that rules out the religious people, after all, there couldn't be ghosts because they'd all either be in heaven or hell right? if you're not religious, then you'd probably not believe in an afterlife, so that rules out the non religious ... so ... who's left.

## Post 2 by cuddle_kitten84 (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 17:51:28

i'm not sure whether i do believe in them or not. i've seen all the programmes, and heard other people's tails. i have had signs before myself, but i never know whether it's me imagining things. it's hard. i know that the dead people go somewhere nice and if they're at peace, then that's good.

## Post 3 by Witchcraft (Account disabled) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 18:20:09

I do believe.

## Post 4 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 18:43:38

Well, no, I don't believe in ghosts, for the simple statement of fact my great grandmother said years ago, if you go to heaven, you don't want to come back, and if you go to the other place, you can't come back.
wonderwoman

## Post 5 by Susanne (move over school!) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 18:56:50

SugarBaby, why can't ghost come to visit people from heaven or hell, or more likely even, purgatory? Are they high security? :-) Personally I don't believe in an afterlife and thus also not in ghosts, but nevertheless I don't see why or how the concept of an afterlife in heaven or hell precludes ghosts. While I don't believe in ghosts, I am willing to concede that it is possible that somehow history leaves some sort of trace on locales... maybe if something really bad happend in a place, the place is somehow changed, and some sort of "trace" that could be perceived by people as uneasiness is left behind? I can't explain this idea very coherently since it's far from a well-formed belief in my mind, just something that I'm not immediately willing to discount.

## Post 6 by rdfreak (THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE-BLUE KANGA-KICKIN AUSIE) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 21:01:18

yes I believe in ghosts. I never use to be sure. use to have an open mind. but after hearing stories -- mm am not sure I believe some of the haunted house stories. and yes I'm a christian! I believe that when ppl die, they can still be in heavin and look down on us. I believe that they may visit as gardian angels, or just protectors or something. .. I have heard a lot of stuff about people stickin round if they hadn't quite finished their duties on earth before they die, but I don't know what I believe there.
Yes and like I say I had my own experience of feeling a presence who I think may have been my guardian angel for a while (at least that was the confirmed sign I got)

## Post 7 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 17-Apr-2005 21:59:20

ive had several experiences thatve lead me to believe in ghosts.

## Post 8 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 2:08:49

I pretty much agree with Rdfreak, that people who die and go to Heaven can still come back here if they wanted to and be felt as a presence by us. But I also think that people who go to Hell can come back as decons, and that there is probably a pergatory. When I was at summer school, I felt like someone who watching me (which could've been my grandma or aunt because I was paying attention and never heard anyone walking up to me). This one time, I also had a nightmare that I had met and talked to Satan (at least what I thought he looks like). After that I woke up so scared I could not move or litterally do almost anything for a few seconds, and I really felt like someone was watching me, so I left where my bed was at and prayed, and after awhile I felt better to where I could go back to my bed to go to sleep.
Leilani

## Post 9 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 2:18:45

I also should that about the nightmare and feeling like someone could be watching me, I hadn't watched any scary movies or even discussed or thought about anything related to that before it happened. And I've also had other dreams about people i know or thought I knew who turned into demons. That one's weird. Also, (although my religion says not to have one, and I should get rid of it even though I rarely use it), I have a Ouija Board and at least when my mom or sister and I used it, I do believe that you can talk to ghosts thru it because it does answer when you ask questions, even though it doesn't always make sense. (The reason I say I believe it especially with my mom or sister is because I never could move the pointer since I can't see the letters and symbols, and I know they wouldn't.)
Leilani

## Post 10 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 2:27:37

My last post, actually part of the last one, to say what experiences my mom, sister, and I've had with the Ouija Board. One time, my sister and I were at the semetary, and she wanted to use it, but when we tried, it would usually answer no and wouldn't have a regular conversation with us at that point. Another time was when my mom and I were supposedly talking to a 7-year-old kid, and when we tried to leave, it kept saying no at first. But a freaky point on that one was when mom asked it if it wanted to play a game, and when she asked what it wanted to play, it spelled out "die." That one was freaky, but we did eventually get it to leave obviously. Also, once, dad was using it with us, and there was this old man that Dad was teasing because he was going too slow.
Leilani

## Post 11 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 4:18:00

It's funny. Earlier I didn'T believe in ghosts but many people told me that they have seen one. And now I am not sure anymore.

## Post 12 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 8:43:26

ok, real or otherwise, have you ever had a weird experience? do share..

## Post 13 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 10:05:32

Not me personally but someone told me that they had seen a ghost one night and that they were really scared afterwards. And I do believe those people usually, I am just a bit unsure of what I should believe now.

## Post 14 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 10:32:02

ok let me tell you a story. many years ago, my dad worked out in Saudi Arabia. Back then the money was good out there - he went to work on a short term contract on a construction sight. Anyway, one night he was on his way home from work, they all lived in thes pre fabricated type houses, just as he got to the door, he felt something on the back of his neck, a hand, like it had gripped it really hard. and the way he tells it, it wasn't just a light touch, it was an actual grip. when he turned round, there was nothing there. the next morning, there was a knock at the door, and they were informed that the manager of the sight had been murdered the evening before.

## Post 15 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 11:12:15

God, you make me scared!! I'm really starting to believe in ghosts now!!

## Post 16 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 12:41:47

I believe in ghosts completely and at the expense of a certain female bampot calling me a liar,my brother and I have come across more than 1 in our lives, we have had several visits from close friends and also from Dad who died 3 years ago. Ally has seen him quite often, and more so now,that the little blokes are around as Dad loved children and always wanted to be a Grandfather...we also see Donnie a close friend who became like a brother to us he was tragically lost in a colossal avalanche in the Karakorum while climbing a 26,000 foot peak..his body was never recovered. As there is Mountain Rescue in pakistan.He appeared 1st to his brother, then to mine, they knew instantly what had happened and Ally got the impression that Donnie was reluctant to leave...they are around us often and we feel no fear or unease just regret and a sense of honour that have been given this experience ...it's stabulized my belief in life after death...

## Post 17 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 13:41:36

Okay okay, but how can they exist? I mean - that might sound naive again, but what are they made of?

## Post 18 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 14:00:23

The way I understand it from my brother what we call a ghost, is simply the very essence of the person, you are in fact seeing them in their purest form..the body is just a recepticle used to carry the soul or essence around...some transcend death and continue on their lives as if they were alive,to friends family ect,they appear completely normal and will act accordingly with no idea of having died..that's often why people report bad experiences with spirits they fail to understand this vital clue

## Post 19 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 15:04:49

Sorry but I still can't imagine that somehow. How can something like this exist at all?

## Post 20 by Witchcraft (Account disabled) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 15:24:53

I can't say why they exist, but I do believe it is what some would call the soul, or as Goblin said it...The essence of the original living person. Yes, I've had an experience...When I was 13 my grandfather was very ill over 800 miles away, and in a nursing home. Well, one morning I was sound asleep, and woke up do to a sound. By my bed was a dim light that I could barely see, and in the light a vague shape...He talked to me about many things, and some I've never shared with another. We talked for about an hour, and then the phone rang, and he was gone. When my Mom came to the door she said, "It's your Dad", and I said, "Grampa's dead." She didn't say a word, and he was. I think he came to me because I'd always been closer to him then any of his grand children. It was me he gave my dead aunts dolls to, and so forth. I think on his death he knew things that he felt I had to know...

## Post 21 by rdfreak (THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE-BLUE KANGA-KICKIN AUSIE) on Monday, 18-Apr-2005 20:39:11

OK I'm not going to tell you bout my guardian angel experience cos it's a long long story how I found out, but since I've been in this unit (about four years) I have had a couple of weird experiences where I have closed and locked the back door before bed, then in the morning it is wide open and the lock on the handle is still in the locked position, but if I had left the door open (which sometimes i do in summer - as I have a screne door as well) I never bother turning the lock to the locked position as there's kinda no point. this has happened a couple of times!
And IS, why don't you give "astral-projection" a look. just search for the term and it may help to explain what Goblin is saying in that our body is only what our soul lives in while it's alive. Many (including myself - as I'm starting a course in it tonight) are fascinated in this. Basically it's when you split from your physical body while it's asleep (but you can be conscious) and you can go any and everywhere. There are no limits because we're a free body. This is wwhat happens to us every night while asleep which are said to be what our dreams actually are, though accounts show that it can be done while conscious. The scientists describe such things as hilusinations and it is a case of what you believe and what you would believe if you ever experienced it.

## Post 22 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 2:17:21

Wow, the grandfather-story is hard. I'm scared that this can happen to me with my grandma!!

## Post 23 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 9:15:01

how would we exist without our spirits without the essence of who we really are...it makes perfect sense if you really think about the deeper aspects...
some psychics also use this example to explain ghosts .........
The residue from places where dramatic painful events have occured lets say in Auschwitz,the residue from the Jews horrific suffering, has been absorbed by the buildings, and the some of these events are replayed like a stuck record, over and over,because the emotions and suffering were so prominent and repeated so often,that the souls of those involved have left a trace on the land and they cannot escape...

## Post 24 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 9:41:33

Well, I never had spirits or things like that.

## Post 25 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 9:42:17

Well, I never had spirits or things like that.

## Post 26 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 9:56:12

I give up some people just will not open their minds far enough to be educated

## Post 27 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 12:15:29

actually, research has shown that a lot of these so called forces have to do with the magnetic fields of a building/place. - I would have to look up the exact details, but it has to do with how soundwaves etc are captured within a building, and having an effect on the magnetic forces within that building, therefore causing certain sounds t be replayed over and over again, creating the ilusion that ghostly happenings occur there.
As for psychics, well I recently watched a programme where Derren brown (a psycho ilusionist) went to the states and pretty much proved that you don't have to have so-called psychic powers to be a psychic, you can tell people things about themselves with suggestion/ mind tricks etc.
Ines it's not about having to be educated, some people choose to believe in ghosts because of experiences they, or their friends/families have had, some people choose not to believe. No one can prove that ghosts exist, any more than anyone can prove that they don't. of course we all have a soul/spirit, but there is really no knowing whether that spirit lives on after the body has died. People like to believe it does, partly because no one really wants to think that their loved ones have died and that's it, and partly because no one really wants to think of themselves dying totally one day. I guess we will all really only know the real answer when we die and find out for ourselves.

## Post 28 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 19-Apr-2005 17:02:55

No, I totally believe you, it's just hard for me to take it, lol.

## Post 29 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Wednesday, 20-Apr-2005 9:32:26

Ok sorry I was having one of these days pal smile...
Hmm the parnormal is hard to take in and if you haven't been exposed to spirits, or a genuine psychic, then it can all seem fanciful and even ridiculous..you do have a spirit in you we all do otherwise we simply couldn't exist...some are just more aware of its existence than others..

## Post 30 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Wednesday, 20-Apr-2005 9:38:04

Ok sorry I was having one of these days pal smile...
Hmm the parnormal is hard to take in and if you haven't been exposed to spirits, or a genuine psychic, then it can all seem fanciful and even ridiculous..you do have a spirit in you we all do otherwise we simply couldn't exist...some are just more aware of its existence than others..

## Post 31 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Wednesday, 20-Apr-2005 9:59:41

Rd am I right in thinking your talking about astral travel, that's something which also fascinates me ..though the literature I've read, made the experience seem rather dull due to being unable to interact with the world while out of the body, still the idea of leaving the body and travelling at will intrigues me..

## Post 32 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Thursday, 21-Apr-2005 12:26:17

Yeah, I agree. Now I somehow hope I would meet my spirit once, lol. Just interested in how that feels.

## Post 33 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Thursday, 21-Apr-2005 12:44:31

well that's only possible through an out of body, or near death experience,or through astral projection where you part company with your body and travel via your spirit.
But I have heard that your senses are dulled and you cannot speak...but that may be supposition..there is a whole raft of literature out there on this subject,but as always with us its a case of availability...cheers. Goblin

## Post 34 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Thursday, 21-Apr-2005 13:05:45

Oh my god, that seems complicated!! Oh well, I'll see. Maybe I'll see my spirit one day, maybe not, but I now believe I have one.

## Post 35 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 22-Apr-2005 11:04:55

the near death I wouldn't recommend as you see yourself lying so still it really looks and feels like death..
...the out of body experience can be mistaken for an nde, and can be the result of trauma,though not always, some people learn how to seperate body from soul, they can leave at will, my brother used to do it quite often,and he told me that re-entry is physically painful "squeezin yersel intae a very tight space Al"....he's 6ft 2 and 200 pounds..smile..
Insele if your still curious, you could join a psychic research society and learn from people who can give you advice on how to go about this...I appreciate your interest pal ...Alex.

## Post 36 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 22-Apr-2005 11:16:25

the near death I wouldn't recommend as you see yourself lying so still it really looks and feels like death..
...the out of body experience can be mistaken for an nde, and can be the result of trauma,though not always, some people learn how to seperate body from soul, they can leave at will, my brother used to do it quite often,and he told me that re-entry is physically painful "squeezin yersel intae a very tight space Al"....he's 6ft 2 and 200 pounds..smile..
Insele if your still curious, you could join a psychic research society and learn from people who can give you advice on how to go about this...I appreciate your interest pal ...Alex.

## Post 37 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Friday, 22-Apr-2005 15:22:29

Okay, this is getting too scary for me, lol.

## Post 38 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 25-Apr-2005 12:28:36

BOO!

## Post 39 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 25-Apr-2005 14:24:08

What! I'm a girl, what do you expect? Lol.