# how many of you will bee geting the Iphone 4S?

Category: Cell Phone Talk

## Post 1 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 04-Oct-2011 15:38:25

I am just curious to see how many of you will bee switching to the Iphone 4S? have fun and post on you all.

## Post 2 by Leafs Fan (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 8:12:43

I won't be switching. I have a 3gs, and I think the only really intriguing thing about Apple's announcement yesterday is that the price of the iPhone 4 may now drop. As for voice recognition, I don't talk to my phone now, and I won't in the future.

## Post 3 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 8:25:03

If I were eligible for an upgrade anytime soon, I probably would. I'm not though, and it's not a big deal to me. Like the poster above, I don't really talk to my phone, so I can't imagine using the new voice recognition system all that much. Faster processor is nice, but I'm still happy with my iPhone 4. That, and a lot of the things that I do want, such as the improved voice-over speech, are going to be part of IOS5, which anyone with an iPhone can get.

## Post 4 by starfly (99956) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 10:12:51

To bee fare, I am going to faid in to the back ground on this topic because of my personal thoughts toward the Iphone.

## Post 5 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 10:31:00

I think this lanuch was themost underwhelming new Apple poduct in some time.
I would get one if my contract situation allowed for a renewal, but I am tied in for another 12 months, and I hope to see some more impressive offering before that time is up, the iPhone 5, some work on the iCloud etc.
Of course, by then, may be the Android accessibility will be good enough to make the switch.

## Post 6 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 10:31:51

Greetings sir Dan, how is the Chica go greater area treating you this eerhm, morning.

## Post 7 by Leafs Fan (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 10:34:04

I will never switch from the iPhone as I really enjoy it and see no reason to explore other options. Having said that, as Sister Dawn said, all the new features I want will be in iOS 5, and I can get them without upgrading to the 4s. When my contract allows me to upgrade, an iPhone 4 will be sufficient for me. I do like the sound of the faster processor, but I've played with an iPhone 4 and it performs very well. As neat as Siri is, I doubt I'll make much use of it.

## Post 8 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 11:41:03

I have an iPhone 4 and I love it. I don't really see the reason to get a 4s other than the faster processor as people said so I won't get an iPhone any time soon.

## Post 9 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 12:03:23

I think people are underestimating Siri. I may consider shelling out $250 for an early upgrade depending on the reviews Siri gets. While I wouldn't want to talk to my phone in public all the time if dictating instead of typing works as well as the dragon app I'd seriously have to consider upgrading.

## Post 10 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 13:18:17

Let them work on Siri, and I'll check back in next fall for the iPhone 5.

## Post 11 by glori (Veteran Zoner) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 15:49:48

Not me.

## Post 12 by WillieTheWoof (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 16:04:01

I'm actually quite interested in the new antenna aray but will have to wait until march to experience it. Will be interesting to see if there are any differences.

## Post 13 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 17:11:32

iPhone 5, at least from reading rumors online, looks like it will have some pretty impressive hardware.
Of course, since I am currently an iPod user, I would be getting a 4S if I got one. If my wife and I get on the data plan we put the daughter on, and if T-Mobile would carry the iPhone by then, why I'll be glad to take the 4S.
Ciri sounds like something I would use in the office more than in public. Dictating to a device is going to be perhaps more difficult than touch screen typing. I have attempted with Dragon Dictation on the iPod, and I have no bad things to say about that app: the real problem is me. I think through what I'm going to put down, then press the microphone button and ... freeze up.
I know someone who is committed to learning this, and he practices dictation five minutes a day, claims it is using an entirely different part of the brain than us typing or writing.
I can only say it is similar to my new learning of radio for emergency services and Ham radio. You end up rehearsing what you're going to say, like a school play from your youth, just to get it right. But to properly use dictation it has to become automatic. And, of course, all the Youtube videos make it look easy.
But for those who have complained about touch screens, this dictation, while really useful, is going to be a lot harder to learn, I think.

## Post 14 by forereel (Just posting.) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 19:37:54

I'm wondering if the voice software will simply come with the upgraded O
s that you'll be able to download shortly?

## Post 15 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 21:49:20

no, its 4s exclusive because of how much processing is done.

## Post 16 by rusty81 (Zone BBS is my Life) on Wednesday, 05-Oct-2011 23:45:48

I cant afford it, but the siri is cool though

## Post 17 by happyman (Veteran Zoner) on Friday, 07-Oct-2011 8:17:16

I do not have an iPhone. but since i am for an upgrade, I will get the 4 s. The hardest thing for me is to decide whether i should get the 32 gb or 64 gb. Can one of the current iPhone users tell us about the space that an average user may need in an iPhone? I will not be using it for music. However, I would like to put on it a number of useful applications.

## Post 18 by Leafs Fan (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 07-Oct-2011 10:25:17

If you won't be using it for music, 32 gb is plenty.

## Post 19 by starfly (99956) on Friday, 07-Oct-2011 11:54:21

Glad this board is helpful smile

## Post 20 by rat (star trek rules!) on Friday, 07-Oct-2011 17:45:22

i'm locked in to my phone for another year, but even so i'd most likely wait for the 5. The 4 does what i want for now, and i only have the 16 gig. holds my music plus a whole pack of apps with room to spare.

## Post 21 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Sunday, 09-Oct-2011 19:15:13

I most likely won't be getting the 4S if only because the 4 I have works just fine for what I need. It's intriguing but I can wait and see what comes out later.

## Post 22 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 09-Oct-2011 22:39:30

I think it's hilarious that this topic was started by a droid user. LoL:) Since not too many people seem impressed with the 4S, all I have to say is, do you seriously expect your phone to do backflips? Seriously!:( I just preordered mine, and I'm very excited. I'm not a bad typer, but I think Seri will be very interesting to check out and use. Just so you guys know, sighted talk to their phones. I know my Dad speaks his text messages and so does another sighted friend of mine. What I love about all apple products is I'm not shelling out any money for accessibility. Hee hee!:) I can understand not upgrading from the 4 right now though, but the stupid comments I've heard about this phone have been unreal, and that's from both sighted and blind people. I swear, just be glad you have decent and free accessibility. Does no one remember mobile speak? Oh wait! and mobile accessibility for the droid? That's not free! I'll be honest with you, I'll NEVER buy a droid first of all codecraptory is just.... what I just said, and second of all, I'm tired of shelling out money for accessibility. If you want to do it, go on. You must make more money than I do, and you can have all the malware and viruses you like.

## Post 23 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 09-Oct-2011 23:04:43

I want to make a few things clear. I'm not one of these that feels like since I'm blind, everything should be made accessible for little me. For one, I'm a realist. There aren't enough blind people for companies to care. In fact, it costs quite a bit to make things accessible. That's why I'm an apple fan. For right now, voice over is built in, and it works well. It works better than mobile speak ever did for me, and I don't even have an iPhone yet. I just have an iPod. I actually thought about getting a tactile screen protector for my iPhone until I learn the layout. Generally, I wouldn't even blink at something like that. To me, Voice Over does quite well on it's own. Plus, whether or not you guys like it, we're headed to touch screens folks. I have a friend who went to 2 huge Microsoft conferences in Vegas this year, and the stuff they're wanting to come out with in the next few years is going to be a challenge as far as accessibility goes. That's why I'm glad apple has done what they have. They raised the bar if you will.

## Post 24 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Monday, 10-Oct-2011 3:32:44

That's precisely why I chose to go the IPhone route. I was and am no longer willing to shell out extra money for accessibility on my cell phone. So the only other option would have been the crappy Owasys 22C from Crapital Accessibility.

## Post 25 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Monday, 10-Oct-2011 8:55:43

I am sorry Meaghan, I have to correct you on a few things you said. Mobile Accessibility is only one option and though it costs, free versions are out there as well, you just have voice over. Plus, the phone with mobile accessibility is still cheaper, unless subsidized by the carrier than the iPhone is. Have you been following the rumor mill. People are disappointed. True we should be grateful for the accessibility we get but we should be able to demand better, after all it is our money. My phone with mobile accessibility and added 32-MG SD card costs less than what other carriers are charging for the 32-MG iPhone and I have a physical keyboard. Now that AT&T is giving away Mobile Accessibility lite free, all you need to add is TalkBack for when you leave the Mobile Accessibility suite, and the price is far less. Also, Seri is a tool and may not be as good as you think, don't you think you have the right to demand it to be enhanced. Malware and Viruses, that misconception is just that a misconception. there have been flaws exposed in the android market, not with the software. With third party apple stores popping up, viruses will exist there too. It depends on where the money is. Be grateful, but unless you are demanding all you will get is crumbs. It isn't our job to buy their products because they choose to make them but it is their job to make products we want. Also you have a misconception of how expensive accessibility really is to implement. It is far cheaper and can be spread among more units by integrating it from the start. Sure we are going to touch screens, but it doesn't mean that we need to be held back and forced to pay astronomical prices for bolt on accessibility. Stay a realist but deamnd better and justify it. If companies see a potential benefit to designing accessibility into their products, they will. It is your job as a consumer to convince them of this.

## Post 26 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 10-Oct-2011 11:33:39

I know people seem to be disappointed with the 4S, but I promise in a month everyone will shut up. I followed what happened with the 3Gs and the 4 and it was the same. There were problems, and people got mad about it, but the thing still sold like hot cakes and apple makes 15 million dollars a quarter on their iPhones. As far as mobile accessibility being free, that's just the demo version. Plus all the droids I've seen on verizon are all 99 or so which means I'd be spending 199 anyway so why not get a 16 GB iPhone with built in accessibility. Just so people know, Seri was an app for the iPhone a couple years ago. My friend had it and it worked pretty well then, so I imagine it'll work even better now. Basically what I'm saying Dusty is your arguments didn't really tell me anything I didn't know except for the fact that basically MA was being given away, which is what happened with mobile speak. The issue is is Verizon has the best droids and they happen to be my carrier so I stuck with them. I'm not saying there shouldn't be more accessibility options because I think there should be for sure, but right now, I don't see really a reason to switch to an android phone especially now with the tactile screen protectors for the iPhone.

## Post 27 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Monday, 10-Oct-2011 12:35:37

You shouldn't change, in your case the iPhone is a good fit for you. I was just rebutting your arguments concerning android vs. ios. I think your choice is a good one. The full version of Mobile Accessibility is a demo but the at&T offering is the lite version, the suite of applications minus the screen reader functionality outside of mobile accessibility. It is free as long as you use and At&T simm card, but you do need talkback or spiel as well. Those who know me know my feelings about this issue. I am glad you are getting the iPhone 4S. Most of the people complaining though are previous iPhone owners who wanted to see a reason to upgrade. I hope you do like it.

## Post 28 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 9:26:47

I am the one who posted this board out of curiosity, not to get an Iphone. Cowboy1 echoed my feelings toward the Iphone so I will not go there at this time. After all I said at the top of this post "I am taking a back seat on this topic." So off I go finally to fade in the background. Oh thank you for posting here on this board smile.

## Post 29 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 9:54:44

Thanks for the complement starfly, but even though I have loved both android devices I owned, if I were to make the call today, and if the iPhone was available on my preferred carrier, I would be hard pressed not to get the iPhone over the Android devices. The only thing that I prefer is a physical keyboard, but with tactile screen protectors and bluetooth devices, I could easily get used to it. It is merely that at this stage in the game, IOS and voiceover is standard, integrated, and fully functional with the native apps at least, where this isn't the case with Android. If seri could be purchased as an upgrade to the iPhone 3s or 4, there would be little need, except for a faster processor to upgrade at this time. Especially, if NFC and lte are implemented in the next iteration.

## Post 30 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 12:19:37

Yes, many do dictate to their devices now.
That is going to be very difficult to learn for many of us, myself very much included, learning to dictate properly. Could any of you atually dictate a board post? Congratulations if you can: you've been exercising a part of your brain most of us have serious trouble with right now. Down the road, dictation is going to be a far bigger change for everyone than touch screens ever were. Even the concept of typing on a touch screen is not that different than a keyboard, you're still using the part of yourself that types or writes.
The guy I know who's making a concerted effort to use Dragon on his iPhone on a daily basis, as klunky as it is, is going to be ahead of us.
Siri is definitely a step forward, but while the Youtube videos make it look easy, imagine what you will have to do to dictate instructions in a manner someone else can read on the other end. Touch screen was easy in comparison. I know I'm just gonna have to knuckle down, bone up on this and learn dictation sometime, but for now, I'm terrible at it. So much so, that I can't even tell what's a bug in the Dictation software and what is myself yet. It's one thing to say 'Call Joe', like people have done from their cars for years with Verizon's driving mode technology, but how about that text message? Instructions to the kids about where to meet you? And how about dictating a staff report?
If you can already do that, congratulations: I'm ... way behind you. I just think it'll take effort far beyond that required by a touch screen. Ultimately, productivity will go up perhaps. But can't most of us type faster than we can dictate?
If you're a dictation user I'd be curious to know how well you've done and what tasks you use it for now.

## Post 31 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 13:58:40

I'm sorry Starfly, but if I remember correctly, you've never owned an iPhone. Now you may own an iPod touch, but unless you own either one of these devices, I'm not sure how much of an opinion you can really have on this issue. I would never talk about a droid like I know it. Now, having said that, I've made comments about its accessibility issues, but that's because MA is a suite of apps designed specifically for blind people so they can use the droid. That and Cowboy1 and I tease each other on practically a daily basis about droids verses iPhones. Basically, what I'm saying is if you don't own an iPhone/iPod touch, no offense, but keep your trap shut. Thanks Dusty.:)

## Post 32 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 14:12:12

I do own a Ipod touch! hints why I got a HD2 back in the day then sold it. Go back through the boards and you will see me saying I have a Ipod touch. Guess what!! its now my wife's device to play with it. I want nothing to do with it at all. If I could, I would boot Itunes off my laptop and netbook. To Leo, yes I use dictation with my phone to write text messeges, email and sometimes fill in forms. MA or "moble accessibility" does this well. Also If any of you have used a "HD2" it had a nice set of voice commands to dial, send a text, and control the media player on the phone.

## Post 33 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 14:19:12

Your welcome Meg, you know me better than anyone else does.

## Post 34 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 11-Oct-2011 14:25:26

Keep in mind the Ipod touch is running the same OS but with out the ability to call. So ya! I can comment on this topic with some background of having used a Itouch device. My current device is a HTC my touch 4G not the slider one that just came out. Wish I could of got that one because of its camra but mine is okay for google goggles. Now to faid in the background and leave this topic bee.

## Post 35 by forereel (Just posting.) on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2011 18:37:06

The reason why companies are putting accessibility in to products is that its now law in the US that they try.

## Post 36 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Wednesday, 12-Oct-2011 19:36:02

That is a new law, and Steve jobs beat it by years. He didn't have to add accessibility at the time so in this case he deserves credit. The same goes for Android devices, etc.

## Post 37 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 9:26:11

And the word is TRY. You don't see anyone coming close to what apple has done as far as having accessibility right out of the box. I hope that changes soon because not everybody likes apple which that's their right if they so choose. I should be getting my iPhone tomorrow. I can hardly stand the waiting. Of course, this is my first iPhone so it's to be expected.

## Post 38 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 9:51:35

You are so right Meaghan. You will be very happy with your choice. You will probably wish that you got one sooner, but, by waiting you have guaranteed a fabulous product, can't wait to hear about your impressions.

## Post 39 by starfly (99956) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 10:20:10

I hope you do not have to go through that Itunes, and IOS update because its a hell of a long time to wait on it. It took me about 3 hours and 10 minutes give or take before it finished up. I had other issues with my router but that is a issue with timewarner and me.

## Post 40 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 10:27:30

Wow. I've never had it take that long. The longest I've ever seen was ten or fifteen minutes. But anytime there's a new software update I run it for both my IPod and my IPhone.

## Post 41 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 10:31:43

i should also add that The thing I like about the iPhone is they have touch screen implementation incorporated into their voiceover where talkback uses a virtual d-pad approach. While TalkBack's approach is useful, though at last I knew, didn't always tell you what menu selection you were on, was an approach. If that was included as a standard app, the way Voice over is, it is an app too, though part of the package and can't be uninstalled, then we could debate which approach is better. I think I would want the choice actually but think that the gesture approach is something that would be faster to use in some situations. In addition, if another app, that either can be downloaded from the market or built-in directly into the phone that when plugged in through the built-in usb cable will allow you to setup your phone from scratch, including activating talkback or downloading and updating it if a newer version exists, then short of supporting touch screen gestures, it would be close to parity with the iPhone and we would really have the choice, based on which platform meets our needs better. It is this including the voiceover app as a part of the OS and the ability to activate it, though with itunes, that make it accessible out of the box.

## Post 42 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 16:48:02

this topic is bizarre really. Clearly started by someone who wants to have a pop a t iPhone.
For me it's straightforward - it's no different to saying "there's a new version of windows, will you be buying a new computer? to which most people would answer no. The more apt question would have been "iPhone users, will you be upgrading to iOS5?" to which the overwhelming response would be "yes."

## Post 43 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 16:59:28

one thing different, no Seri in iOS5 but the iPhone 4s comes with it. since depending on your spects, a computer maybe already able to handle the features in windows and Microsoft doesn't produce a computer that will include a feature not available on the new windows OS then there is no advantage to buying a new computer. There might be a reason here because of seri. Other than that, point taken.

## Post 44 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 18:39:40

I agree with you IIB. I understand why someone wouldn't want to upgrade from the 4 to the 4S really. I decided to get the iPhone now instead of waiting another year or so for the five because I have a crappy half-accessible phone, and I'd had enough. I also agree with you about someone posting this topic just to get a whack at the iPhone which I think is quite stupid, but that's just me. Like I say, this thing has broken lots of sales records already so you can make fun of it all you want, but the fact is they still bring in 15 million a quarter on these babies so..... whatever they're doing is obviously working or at the very least selling.:)

## Post 45 by starfly (99956) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 20:19:25

Um... I did not post this to take a crack at the Iphone 4s, it was just out of curiosity. I just pod that I has a Itouch device because someone had stated that I do know own a Iphone or Itouch so how do I know what its like using one. Its not wishing I had a Iphone it was just seeing how many of you zone members are going to get the Iphone 4s. Something was said about android so I added my two sense in the pile, heck I feel like I have some hands on with IOS. I tell you, some people so love twisting words its not funny.

## Post 46 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 22:43:02

For one thing Starfly, use spellcheck. For another, no one's twisted what you said. It's very obvious that you feel like droid devices kick the iPhone's tail which couldn't be any less true. I like the idea that you can tinker around with things on the droid, but....really. We've seen your board posts. We know where you stand, so don't act like you're the victim here when you've set this up yourself.

## Post 47 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Thursday, 13-Oct-2011 23:26:12

Starfly, I don't see it that way, I think that she has taken your past postings and read into them what you implied, even if you didn't mean to. Since most people who are big fans of one platform or another tend to belittle the competing platforms, it is no wonder why someone might think that. Starfly, I am an active android user who owned a Sidekick 4G, and now a Motorola Cliq2 and am an active participant helping people on the Mobile accessibility users list, so I see how we can be thought of in that way. I hope you can see why she feels this way. She is not alone, just the one expressing it.

## Post 48 by starfly (99956) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 9:05:51

hmm... point taken yes I do feel android is as good as the Iphone, I will not hide that fact at all. Where I am coming from is a former user of the windows mobile platform but the touch screen side and the side that just has a keyboard.

## Post 49 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 10:49:03

I initially posted that I wouldn't get a 4S, and that would be true, except a friend wants an iPhone, and he's locked into his Droid X for another year and a half. I will sell him my iPhone for what I paid, and buy the 4S at full retail, which would be about the equivalent of buying a new one with a subsidy.

## Post 50 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 10:51:53

But the fact is it's not..... unless you use MA which you have to pay for and then talkback. Yeah, you may get a keyboard, but no, you don't get that same accessibility. Even cowboy1 will tell you that and he knows a whole lot about MA.I mean, he and I tease each other all the time about it. I came from the windows platform myself and I hated it. It was slow, clunky, and mobile speak 4 was the biggest joke there was. Not to mention my phone was a pocket PC which was fine, but even my friends who are really good with technology would say it's a complicated phone. To make matters worse, that complicated phone broke 3 times in 16 months. It was bad. When I got my iPod touch, was blown away by how sensible everything seemed to be. Now, I didn't start typing on it until about 4 months ago, and I'm still working on it, but I know I'll be able to use iPhone pretty well when I get it.

## Post 51 by rat (star trek rules!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 14:33:00

and if you get an IPhone with IOS 5 you won't even need ITunes to turn on voiceover. tripple click home is set to voiceover by default now, for all devices.

## Post 52 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 16:12:15

Well, I just got my iPhone, and I've had it running for about 30 minutes, and I'm totally over the moon. It's the most accessible thing I've put my hands on. It's way better than the iPod touch. Oh, by the way, SERI works very very well. There's no setup required, and everything I've asked it, it understood me just fine. I'm very pleased with this thing. Thanks apple.:)

## Post 53 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 17:22:41

The only thing I'm having trouble with is turning touch typing on. LOL

## Post 54 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Friday, 14-Oct-2011 20:14:11

Two things. S, I, R, I, and, to turn touch typing on, while in an edit field, you have to have the keyboard visible, use the rotor to switch to typing, then, downward swipe with one finger.

## Post 55 by changedheart421 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Saturday, 15-Oct-2011 22:26:02

I got the iPhone 4s this morning after seling my 4 and love it. I actually have used siri twice in 2 very different situations. It works flawlessly where I live. Voice over to me is a lot more snappy though am still not thrilled with the voices.

## Post 56 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 16-Oct-2011 12:35:14

I have to admit I have trouble with the rotor gesture. I don't know why. I know what I'm supposed to do, but doing it seems to be an issue. Silly me. Other than that, I'm very happy with mine.

## Post 57 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Sunday, 16-Oct-2011 23:07:45

The rotor's a little tough to get at first. The best way to do it is to put your thumb down, and with it held steady, flick with your middle finger right or left. When you do that, it'll provide just enough motion in your thumb to activate the gesture. Hope that helps.

## Post 58 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Monday, 17-Oct-2011 10:36:41

I'll have to try that. I've had trouble with tht to. As for m I doubt i'll get a 4S though the Siri thing does sound intriguing, as does being able to turn Voiceover on with tripple click right out of the box instead of having to set it up that way. Ah well, when my time comes to upgrade again I'll just have to get whatever model's current by then. No biggy since as I said my IPhone 4 still works just fine for me.

## Post 59 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 17-Oct-2011 12:58:37

I concur with Jesse here.
Also when I first got my iPod, I went into Settings VoiceOver VoiceOver Practice and tried all the gestures I had trouble with, rotor, pinch in and pinch out.
Challenge yourself until you're at the point you can pick up the device, perform the gesture without thinking about it. Spend a few minutes a day in the Practivce VoiceOver Gestures window and as I said, think of it like trying to increase your push-ups count or some other fitness challenge, keep trying to beat yourself at your own game. That is how I got quite successful with these. I need to revisit pinch out as that has changed a little bit and I believe for the better. It's easy to over-select.
The easy thing to do with these movements is overdo them. You want to push yourself to the point that you can do the moves with as little action as possible. This means you will end up able to put a lot of things in the rotor because you can go forward and backwards really fast. Same goes for selection. If I am responding to a Coast Guard email, and don't happen to have my external keyboard handy, and just need to move some text, getting that selection move is key. That is my own example but I'm sure you'll have many of your own, especially students.
Also start using that Vertical Navigation as I have found I am far more likely to flick now without losing my sense of orientation. What used to happen was if I did need to flick, it could become challenging to know where on the screen I had moved to after flicking a few times. Now you can use the vertical navigation to assist with your movements.
And voila increased productivity with a spreadsheet, list or table.
Trick is just like keeping fit or learning any new skill, just keep trying to beat yourself at your own game.

## Post 60 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Monday, 17-Oct-2011 14:50:18

Even learning to type on a typewriter or computer was like that for me. I used to have to picture where things were on the keyboard, based upon my memory of it. To get that all into muscle memory was a pain. Now that, like the iPhone gestures, is natural.

## Post 61 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 15:52:32

Thanks Jesse. Your way of doing the rotor was awesome. That works really well for me. LeoGuardian, I haven't really played around with the pinching gesture. I will definitely go into Voiceover practice and check it out. Thanks guys.:)

## Post 62 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 18:40:58

One major difference i've noticed between the 4 and 4s is the speed. THe 4s when using applications such as mail and safari, are considerabley faster than on my 4 running IOS 5. It's almost enough to make me upgrade. Siri is also a nice added feature!

## Post 63 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 19:21:21

OK, I do have one complaint, but I think this is normal with most smart phones. It's a data hog! I have cellular data turned off when I'm at home, but sometimes my wi-fi connection isn't good. Is there anything I can do to help with this issue? 2 gigs of data a month should be enough, but already I've used 1/33 of my monthly data, and I've not done much except for browse ibooks for 5 minutes and download a sample.

## Post 64 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 19:43:58

Not much really except use wifi as much as possible and find out what services and apps that you don't need to keep running. are you saying a third or three percent. either way three percent or 60MG is a lot for just five minutes of browsing ibooks and downloading a sample. Hopefully someone knows what background app or service is running that you don't need.

## Post 65 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 22:24:44

1/33 is the total of what I've used in 5 days. I try and make sure I close an app every time I'm finished with it. We'll see how it goes.

## Post 66 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 22:32:06

not bad over that time though. check it if you can between times like at the beginning of an app and again when closing it.

## Post 67 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Tuesday, 18-Oct-2011 23:24:14

My only objections so far is that it seems to be impossible to re-download purchases from the ITunes store after buying them, so you seem to have to repurchase them if you want them back after, say a crash. Part of this is my fault since I purchased the twelve ringtones I had using the IPhone itself and didn't explore the ITunes file menu for that option that would have backed those tones up in my ITunes library. So when I upgraded to the new version of IOS this morning I lost those tones. And there seems to be no way of downloading them again without buying them all over again.

## Post 68 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2011 10:54:54

Wrong. You can redownload all purchases.

## Post 69 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2011 15:12:57

Oh? Where? Because when I go to Purchased it says I don't have any music available. So where would I look? I did eventually manage to get them back on my phone again (apparently they did get synced with ITunes before I updated my phone), but if there ever really is a crash it would be helpful to know where I can redownload them.

## Post 70 by rdfreak (THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE-BLUE KANGA-KICKIN AUSIE) on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2011 21:06:13

I'm getting one; can't wait.

## Post 71 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 4:15:43

So does anyone know where in the ITunes store you would go to redownload purchases? I was able to findmypurcase history which did include the various ringtones i'd bought but there was nowhere that said download. So I'm confused LOL.

## Post 72 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 11:43:00

Tap "More", then tap "purchases". In the App store, tap "updates" then tap "purchases." Make sure you're signed into the store with the same Apple ID you used to make the purchases, as that's how they're stored, not by device. My purchase history goes back to the first ever purchase I made in the iTunes Store.

## Post 73 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 12:04:42

That's the thing. I am sighned in. If I do it on the computer I can see a history of purchases but no way to download them. But when I go on there with the IPhone I don't see anything. It says I don' have any msic to download and there's nothing that says Ringtones.

## Post 74 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 12:38:39

I am on the iPod 4th Gen IOS5 but this should be similar:
Go to App Store, then Updates (bottom right) then Purchases link (used to be about halfway down the screen in the middle).
Now, if you can't see purchases on the screen, as I cannot anymore for some bizarre reason, take two fingers and tap three times quickly in the middle of the screen. The Item Chooser shows everything that's on the window in a linear stacked representation.
Right under the search edit box is Purchases. It doesn't tell you its location like the rest of the items, which will say Top or Bottom of screen.
I sure with the iPhone / iPod would do better with orientation that way and say top left, middle left, bottom right, etc. but you can't have everything.
Two suggestions for the user getting their data conked:
I would first turn off notifications when you want to use the cellular network, and second make sure the app store isn't running.
Next in Settings turn the page and you should find Store someplace-ish in the middle of the screen, sorry I'm not more precise with that location I can't remember exactly where it is now. Go in there and make sure nothing is happening automatically, they are on / off switch buttons.
Those are steps I take, even though I use an iPod, when I go to our Coast Guard base, as their network has security / packet intercept on it and I'd rather be very clear as to what's coming and going from my device when in that particular environment.

## Post 75 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 14:48:19

Would this be the same for the ITunes store? Because that's where I've had issues. I tap More, then Purchases and it gives you a list of tings IE Movies, Music, TV Shows but not Ringtones.

## Post 76 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Friday, 21-Oct-2011 20:40:55

Once you tap more and then purchased, tap the link that says music, then, tap the tab that says not on this iPhone. Then you can tap all songs. Now, as you flick through the song names there'll be option to download.

## Post 77 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Saturday, 22-Oct-2011 4:33:28

another thing you can do to save data is turn off your location service. If that is constantly on it will eventually hog up your data because all your aps are using it to keep track of where you are.

## Post 78 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Saturday, 22-Oct-2011 14:33:08

not only that but you will save on your battery by turning it off when not needed. Turning off notifications will also save on data but that depends on a lot of other factors, the availability of a reliable and accessible WIFI network, the amount of time one spends away from a network, etc. If you are almost always near a WIFI network and can remember to turn notifications on and off, that would be great, if not, leaving them on is a data expense that you may feel is insignificant enough to not be a worry.Mapping your data use is the best way to figure out what services and apps you need and when.

## Post 79 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Sunday, 23-Oct-2011 10:51:53

Ok, I'm not liking the newest version of the Facebook App too much. It seems caotic and disorganized to me. It's usable, yes, but there area disturbing number of unlabeled buttons. And when I click on a friend's name I only get the Wall section of their profile. Tere's no options at the bottom of the screen to switch between Info and Photos like there has been in prior versions.

## Post 80 by Daenerys Targaryen (Enjoying Life) on Sunday, 23-Oct-2011 12:55:46

Yeah the buttons are still there, but you have to turn VO off to click on them. Same thing when you click on the list of your friends and want to switch between that and the list of the pages you like.

## Post 81 by Daenerys Targaryen (Enjoying Life) on Sunday, 23-Oct-2011 12:58:00

To answer the original question, I have the iPhone 4 and will not be switching to the iPhone 4s. Maybe I will if they come out with the iPhone 5.

## Post 82 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Sunday, 23-Oct-2011 13:59:58

And turning VO off means you basically have no idea what you've clicked on until you turn it back on and therefore no way of knowing if you clicked on the right one. Hoping this mistake will be corrected later.

## Post 83 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Sunday, 23-Oct-2011 14:48:08

If there is a way to report the bug, you really should do so. The more people reporting the flaw, the sooner it will be fixed. the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

## Post 84 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Monday, 24-Oct-2011 9:19:56

I would definitely report it if I knew where to go. But so far I haven't been able to figure that out.

## Post 85 by cowboy1 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Monday, 24-Oct-2011 16:07:57

well a couple of ways come to mind. Goto the app in the store and see if somewhere there is a link to the developer. go to help and contact us or feedback in the apple store, or in this case, go to facebook and report it to them. Ifyou do it through the apple store when you don't know haw to report it to the app developer, Apple will, in most cases do it for you. If they don't, when they get back to you, tell Them you want the accessibility issue reported to the developer so it can be addressed.

## Post 86 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Tuesday, 25-Oct-2011 17:15:57

I think they usually do have a link in the app store. I might just do that. Because while he app is certainly usable and all te important stuff, to me at least, is labeled, it'd be nice to know what EVERY! button or option is.