# screamo

Category: Jam Session

## Post 1 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 0:54:52

Hey guys, I was just wondering what your thoughts were on screamo rock. I like it, but the singer has to at least to sing during the song. I only have one song where they don't do that and that song is "and death in my arms" by all that remains. I kept it because he was easy to understand when he screams, and the guitars were really nice. So what r your opinions on it?

## Post 2 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 12:53:37

It depends on the voice. The guy's voice in Bullet For My Valentine is tolerable. But once I listened to this band called Saosin and his voice was so horrible that I couldn't listen to it. I think it also has to do with the lyrics. If they're decent, and not a whining fest, I'll listen to it.

## Post 3 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 12:55:33

The lyrics doesn't really matter to me, so long as the singer has a good singing voice. It took me a bit to get used to the singer of "evans Blue" because his voice shakes when he sings, but if u listen to the songs he writes, u can understand y.

## Post 4 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 12:58:27

Exactly. I think the lyrics and the voice contribute to how good a band is.

## Post 5 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 13:05:41

Another thing that people may not like is japanese/other languages rock. I have a fwew songs that r in japanese, and two that r in german. I know that some people don't like them, because they can't understand the lyrics. Is that really such a big deal/ "o, i can't understand what their saying, the song sucks". THe only thing I don't like, is in "what's up people!" by "maximum the hormone" at the end of the song they do a something with the drums, I forget what its called now, where the drums take on a different beat then the rest of the song. Apart from that, the song is really well done.

## Post 6 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 13:17:41

Again, why do I need to research just what the song is talking about....I mean screaming about. I should be able to hear a melody with the song not just waling guitars and screaming/growling. that isn't music that is noise. If you name your band demon hunter for example and growl and claim you're a Christian band, that is pretty hippocritical and not very christian like now is it. Again, why can't we just listen to good music like from the 80 where rock was good and the lyrics were understandable. Please refer to the other post about the songs you cannot stand for good posts 193 forward.
Bottom line, this music is not music. Why do you have to scream during a song?

## Post 7 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 13:19:52

Because it expresses an emotion that nothing else can. I don't particularly like music in other languages because I want to know what they're saying. The lyrics are what makes a song good in my opinion. And most metal, I can understand what they're saying, so I don't care if they scream or not.

## Post 8 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 13:21:34

It expresses their emotions. And look it up the lyrics of demon hunter. They r christian Cody. And maybe people don't like rock from the seventies/eighties. Have I said and enough yet?

## Post 9 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 13:28:05

you may not like it, but the fact is that music was just better in those days, hence why I listen to it. There are very few songs/bands I appreciate nowadays. Ask Juan, he agrees with me and he elaborated a little bit more on this in the other thread.

## Post 10 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 14:01:59

No he didn't. He just said that music was hard to learn. He really didn't agree with u. O and godsmack isn't from the eighties and u like them. Smae with breaking benjamin. O, and another group that screams, and is christian is 12 stones. Ever heard of them? THey scream, but not as much as demon hunter does, try them. THeir another example of a christian metal band. A third is Pillar.

## Post 11 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 15:37:52

Pillar is Christian? I didn't know that. And I have no problem with classic rock, I just can't stand 80's metal. It all sounds the same and it's horrible.

## Post 12 by DancingAfterDark (I just keep on posting!) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 17:43:08

I've never met a person who could tell me exactly what's appealing about listening to people destroying their vocal chords, but to each their own and all that. I can handle a little screaming with my singing, but I don't like it the other way around. A lot of metal has amazing music, it's just getting past the horrible sound of their voices to hear it that's the problem. My sister's ex was the drummer for a hardcore/metal band and I was never able to listen to a full song. I agree with Cody, I want to be able to understand the lyrics without having to look them up.
That said, a lot of the bands mentioned here are not ones that come to mind for me when I think of screamo or metal, although in all fairness I don't usually bother with genre. I like Saosin, although only a few songs I've heard, and Bullet for My Valentine are fucking terrible. And I used to love 12 Stones, but it's been so long since I last listened to them that I'm not sure anymore.

## Post 13 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 12-Jul-2008 23:49:54

Bullet for my valentine I don't like either too much except for a few songs off of "scream, Aim, Fire", and "all these things i hate revolve around me" off of "the poison". 12 stones is another good example of that. They scream, but they do a lot of singing, and u don't have to look up their lyrics to figure out what their saying.

## Post 14 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Sunday, 13-Jul-2008 22:03:33

Ok, i thought of something else. Ask screaming_turtle how long it took me to get into screamo rock. She can tell u, it took a really long time. I think the first scream song i had was "gasoline" by "seether". When I went to a summercamp, that's when I met dez, and Cody, and dez had me listen to some stuff by "silent Civillian". I liked their stuff, especially "biytter Pill" and "live again". After we all went home, I started to listen to a bit more and a bit more from different bands. It takes time getting used to, and u do need to listen to the songs maybe once or twice to get what their saying, depending on how they scream, but once u get it, their really good. But, this is gonna be a stalemate. Its all up to preference. Cody, and dancing after dark don't like, dez and I and whoever does, does. Whoever doesn't, doesn't. Mike.

## Post 15 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 13-Jul-2008 22:24:06

You're right. And yeah, at first you didn't like anything with screaming in it at all unless it was a little bit. Now you listen to a lot of different stuff. I'm glad I helped you out. I seem to have that effect on people. Every time I start talking to somebody, I introduce them to my music, and they usually like it.

## Post 16 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Monday, 14-Jul-2008 19:47:22

80's bands sounds the same? so you are implying that metalica and led zeplin sound the same? you have some really bad musical taste in my opinion. Godsmack dates back to around 93, when Sully had his first band Stripmind which I have yet to hear. In any event
but lets stop the flaming and arguing. it is proven the older music is better and people who are born listening to classical and good music are more musically inclined. the flaming is starting to get up into the gigabytes. the zone may run out of disk space.

## Post 17 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Monday, 14-Jul-2008 23:11:18

Who says that the eighties is better? That, as I've said before, is your opinion of it. I like modern, u like older music. People who listen to older stuff, r not more musically inclined. I have no clue where u got that from.

## Post 18 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 13:18:37

That's why I listen to a variety of stuff. And I never said I didn't like Metallica. Their old stuff is good anyways. Their new stuff is terrible. Metallica is one of the very few exceptions of music from the 80's that I can tolerate. But I listen to a lot of classic rock from the 60's and 70's like The Doors and The Beatles, so I do know what I'm talking about.

## Post 19 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 15:53:52

So you do, but going by what you did say you said all 80's and classic music all sounded the same. So now you change your tone

## Post 20 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 16:17:26

I said all 80's music sounds the same. Metallica came out in the late 70's, so technically, although their style evolved through the 80's, they were a 70's band, and the 80's, in general, sucked music-wise.

## Post 21 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 19:15:16

you didn't live then so you can't say that.

## Post 22 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 20:10:01

Yeah, but I can say that about the music. And my mom told me that the 80's weren't that great anyways because not much happened.

## Post 23 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 22:13:03

that is subjective. there was a lot of great music back then. I ahve ancient 78's from the 40s. It is truely dependent on your taste, however music today compared to what 20 years ago music was has gone down the tubes.

## Post 24 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2008 22:15:01

I've said this before, and i'll say it again. That's your opinion on the matter, not everyone thinks that.

## Post 25 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 2:31:57

The eighties was the birth of Black Metal!
Oh, and anything having anything to do with emo is the stuff fed upon by the scum of the earth. Emo, Scremo, finding Nemo, one two Threemo, anything with emo should be stamped out with the rest of the whining leeches on the rock scene.

## Post 26 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 12:13:13

I like a lot of screamo. Look at slayer, they scream, but there understandable. I've even listened to impending doom. The name sounds dark and stuff, but here a christian death metal band. Check them out at myspace.com/impendingdoom

## Post 27 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 12:25:56

Comparing Slayer to Scremo? Dear God, where the hell am I!

## Post 28 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 15:53:00

okay then, slayer doesn't scream, but there fucken awesem!

## Post 29 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 16:06:37

They do scream, but they're not screamo. The difference is that Slayer are all about death and antichrist shit, and screamo is emotionally centered, most of it too much so in my opinion, but there are a few good ones out there...But the comparison of Slayer and screamo is just wow...They're nothing alike at all.

## Post 30 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 22:12:34

Hmmm hmmmm hmmmm let me do a bit of sing365 hunting here... lets see here. Ahh, here we go. I have two songs here for u to look at. The lyrics repeat a lot in this first one, but if u listen to it, you'll understand y. Tell me what u think of them. O, and this first one, is mostly all scream, I might add.
All That Remains The Air That I Breathe Lyrics
I will not relent no no Never live with defeat, never falter It's like the air that I breathe(like the air I breathe) I will not choke on failure And
I will not choke on failure
I am a mortal man But I'm not falling, I'm not broken yet I am a mortal man But I hold tight to my beliefs now
I have suffered defeat, pain, loss Still I push to the edge, never falter For this cements my beliefs (this cements my beliefs) I'll remain my own master
I will not relent no no Never suffer defeat, never falter For this cements my beliefs (this cements my beliefs) I will not choke on failure
I am a mortal man But I'm not falling I'm not broken yet I am a mortal man But I hold tight to my beliefs now
I am a mortal man But I'm not falling I'm not broken yet I am a mortal man But I hold tight to my beliefs now
I will not relent I will not relent, no no I will not relent Never suffer defeat never falter I will not relent, no no
Never suffer Never falter I will not relent, no no Never suffer Never falter
Ok, heres the second set. This one has less scream, but u make your own judgments on it.
"all that remains, Not Alone"
No More No more are the days that I will Fear for I have found a strength None can match and I'll push forward
Never has the blood in my veins Flowed so fiercely as when i feel this around me I am whole
I'm Not alone with the touch of your hand I am whole again I'm Not alone with the touch of your hand I am whole again
Now I feel the passion burning This is what drives me further Strengthens my resolve to push me forward
And I Believe i am not alone
I'm Not alone with the touch of your hand I am whole again I'm Not alone with the touch of your hand I am whole again
Give me hot steel, GO
No more are the days that I will Fear for I have found a strength that None can match and I'll push forward
Now I feel the passion burning This is what drives me further Strenghtens my resolve to push me further
I'm Not alone (i'm not alone) with the touch of your hand I am whole again I'm Not alone (i'm not alone) with the touch of your hand I am whole again
think this set proves dez's point, that sometimes, the emotion can be a bit strong in the songs. O, and to the poster who said that rock can basicaly go and die, tell me, what do u listen to? rap? Thanks to sing365.com for the lyrics.

## Post 31 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 22:43:12

I love those songs, especially Not Alone. That's my favorite song by them.

## Post 32 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 22:47:39

The guitars and drums in both of them r well done. That's another thing I've noticed, is that I like the guitarists and the drummers of bands that scream more then bands that r "rock" but all they do is sing. I'm not sure y. Maybe its because the drummers r quicker, or the guitar solos r excellent, not really sure.

## Post 33 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 20-Jul-2008 22:49:54

Usually the drums are quicker. Like Slipknot has one crazy ass drummer. Granted, it's actually about 3 drummers, but the sound is amazing.

## Post 34 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 21-Jul-2008 19:09:15

I think part of the problem here is that the people who criticize older music are people who didn't actually live through that time, so it doesn't mean anything to them. One thing I discovered as a musical square peg when I was in my teens and twenties is that most folks cared only about what was being done right then and there and older music, no matter how good or bad it was, was irrelevent, so was bad by default. Frankly, none of this emo screamo stuff sounds like anything I could appreciate or relate to, because it seems it's all about very raw dark emotion and I'm an emotionally even-keeled person. The hardest thing I can appreciate is Jimi Hendrix, and I don't care how that makes me look. I used to like Led Zeplin until radio just played them to death, and Eighties metal or most metal just didn't interest me since I was more drawn to progressive rock.

## Post 35 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Monday, 21-Jul-2008 19:39:44

Yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Janis Joplin, and Thw Who because they were experimental for their time. I do appreciate music that wasn't part of my time growing up. I think it's good to keep an open mind and not classify yourself as only liking metal or country or wahtever. You should listen to a lot of different types of music. My friends think it's interesting that I do that, and so I've showed them a lot of stuff they wouldn't otherwise know. Also, when I was little, my parents always played that type of music and I got very attached to it, so I think that's another reason I love it so much. We have a huge collection of 45's in our basement and when I was little we used to have a jukebox. Too bad it stopped working and we had to sell it. We still have an old stereo though and every once in awhile I go down and play some of those 45's again because a lot of the b-sides you can't even find on the internet. So I do appreciate most types of music, note the key word, MOST. I just don't like 80's metal because it sounds like cats screeching in pain to me and is completely artless. Same with country, except they all sound like drunken Confederates, but that's another topic altogether.

## Post 36 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Monday, 21-Jul-2008 22:18:03

to post 34:
screamo isn't always about dark and raw emotions.

## Post 37 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 0:59:37

I also like a variety of music. U amay not realize it now, but I, at one time, loved rap. Nelly, MandM, chamillionair, DMX, Fifty Cent. I kinda grew out of it, and started listening to bands such as Lit, Shinedown, evanescence, seether, and The All American Rejects. THen, that progressed into, as I lay dying, more of seether's more scream songs, bayside, psykostick, and Dark New Day. I also like a few country songs, by Kenny Chesney, and Rascal Flatts, mainly "Stand", "Life Is A Highway", and "what hurts the most" by Rascal Flatts, and "days go by" by Kenny Chesney. I also like one band that is electronic called "celldweller." Their main hit was "switchback" which if u do a search for them on itunes...o wait, most of u don't use it, because it sucks...um...i've already stated my views on that,...um...any file sharing program or music website might have it, "frozen" "Own Little World" and "tragedy" which was a remix of the song written originaly by the Beegies. I also have a few dance songs, "switchback Dance Remix" which is one of the many remixes that was done to the "switchback" song. I also have "The Sound of Goodbye" b arman Van Buran". See? I do like variety in my music, but most of it is from the late nineties to today.

## Post 38 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 11:06:42

So then, dez, by stating it all sounds like cats in pain it shows you dont' like it. You are jumping back and forth between sides and you can't seem to make up your mind. I do not appreciate the newer stuff. the fact is they didn't all sound the same, and they weren't all about gothic shit. The radio may have played them to death, and they still do that today. they play this new shit and I don't listen to the radio hardly ever because of this reason.
Now she's all lovin 45s and what not.
cmon, pick one side and stick to it sheeeeesh. I've listened to most of the stuff and I like what I hear. wanna get me some cylinders from the 1900's

## Post 39 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 12:13:37

How many albums did seether put out?

## Post 40 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 12:45:01

I wanna say 4 or 5. 4 regular ones which I liked, one was live album, which from i read didn't do so great. Disturbed did the same thing, with the live album, though I don't know how well that went over.

## Post 41 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 15:50:30

Cody, I said I don't like music from the 80's. Try reading what I say before you jump down my throat. The bands I mentioned were mostly from the 60's. If you want a complete list, I'm sure I can provide it, and none of it is retarded metal except maybe ACDC. And the post wasn't directed at you anyway, it was directed more at post 34 because I wanted to show that just because I listen to new music, I also have an appreciation for older stuff.
Mike, I can't picture you listening to rap, but I agree, I went through that phase too. Never liked country though.

## Post 42 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 18:31:37

Well, it happened. No joke.

## Post 43 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 22:20:28

Dancing after dark, which singer was it for bullet for my valentine? They swap singers sometimes.

## Post 44 by louiano (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Tuesday, 22-Jul-2008 23:05:55

this topic is interesting. I indeed cclarified that music, especially that of the earlier 20th century is hard to learn, because of its great evolution. We are not even studying the "techniques" that "screamo" or "metallica' drummers, guitarists or singers use, and we don't have a form for these songs either! in a musicologist's contest, this music is pretty foreign and quite honestly devastating.
Who says that the eighties is better? That, as I've said before, is your opinion of it. I like modern, u like older music. People who listen to older stuff,
r not more musically inclined. I have no clue where u got that from.
I do have a clue where he has obtained such remark, and this dates to when you can play an instrument and have been through most genres. It is often surprising to see how, because of the exploration in the latest music one declines and even refuses to accept the existence and characteristics of music dating from previous years. There is a book in which you are taught to play a specific pattern for piano for different genres, and this quote will never escape my memory:
"One of the most humbling lessons of any musical journey is to accept that you will never learn all there is to learn about a given style, genre or tradition.
As a perpetual student (not only of music, but of life), a good philosophy is to accept this as a challenge rather than an adversity". In other words, as much as you think you can know about lyrical content, about bands, about the latest artists, there might still be something which escapes you. I used to think terribly about the tradditional music of Spain, known as Flamenco. This form of music takes an aggressive vocal style in which music is sung with a particular form of tone and force to it, and even though this form of music contains melodical phrasing, the singing sounds terrible. It is upon more discovery of the guitarists which led me towards the instrumental side. Had it not been for this kind of music I would not have ended up discovering Al Di Meola, the guitar trio, Paco de Lucia, and many others. I would assosiate myself with liking the popular music only because of its popularity and sometimes its integrity with different statuses (the music sounded dark, sounded bright, appealed to an audience, ETC). This doesn't happen anymore. That music from the 2000 and on is pretty much something i would not listen to or explore again. And who says the eighties are bad? look internationally, and think outside of the box and of the country, and of the continent itself please! Had it not been for the 80s, we would loose a lot of east and west coasts sounds in many different genres of music. Songo would not have been present, and even merengue would not be as popoular in other nations as it is today. Jazz would not change its labelling to "acid jazz" and would introduce musicians to experiment with the news sounds you all house and techno fans love today, and there would not have been different inventions and revolutions to 20th centuri classical music. Additionally, compositional techniques would not have been expanded, and the use of language would have not created some slangs still popular today. A lot happened during the eighties... maybe not at your house, but every decade has always had its memorable and not so pleasant moments. I didn't live through these times, but constant study and influences illustrate these points. Music in my opinion, is melody and harmony, which combined with silence and subtle changes expresses an idea. Lyrical content is there to enhance the feelings or communicate a message, or relate a story. It is even more surprising the mediocre way that rap (AKA Hip-hop) is produced. 1. Log on to some beat-selling site, like shadowville.com. 2. Get a beat that you love to death. 3. Pay a prize for a lisence (2000 uses or more, depending on comercial success). 4. Sing (or whatever the hell else) ontop of it, then sell like crazy. 5. Watch the record industry use you as their little toy to manipulate the charts and the people. Of course, it is also a bit of ignorance from others in how much classic rock had influenced other musicians around the world. Songo is a premier for such styles coming to life. The chord progressions which it uses refer to rock riffs, mainly those found in psychidelic rock (the monkees, the beatless, ETC). The only conclussion that can be drown from this is that popular music is almost always the culprit for degradation of musicc tastes (for newcomers to it) and often is terribly distortioned by the industry and market (and even because of political concerns) to be sold at huge rates. That is why i might play an instrument, but i will ***NEVER*** sign up a contract with a so called "record label". Perhaps if this kind of music becomes more popular that could be the trend... just like c(rap) music.

## Post 45 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 1:16:39

To the one who said Screamo is not aball about raw, dark emotion.
Yes it is. If they throw other subject matter in, it's because they're trying to widen it, which you can't do. Screamo is made up of two principles: Emo and Screaming. Scream ... mo.
Oh, and it still sucks.

## Post 46 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 2:17:24

Dude, if it sucks, then y the hell did u make the metal topic?

## Post 47 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 7:58:36

It's not a matter of being fickle or split. Metal and Scremo are two very, very different entities. They're like rock and metal. Often lumped in together, when they have nothing to do with each other.
Scremo bands are the arch rivals of metal bands because while they are both loud and pounding, they are absolute opposites.

## Post 48 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 13:54:24

but, doesn't screemo scream about emotional stuff. whereas metal screams about hatred of the world?

## Post 49 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 14:03:22

I gotta agree with Gothic on this one. Screamo is about dark emotions, but metal is also dark. The subject matter of metal is often a lot darker than screamo, if you want my honest opinion. Screamo is a combination of screaming and emo lyrics, and they added the screaming element to try and appeal to the metal audience. But if you're hardcore enough, you'll just call them posers. I'll listen to some of it, but I can see why they would say that.

## Post 50 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 16:00:56

Well, I'm not sure what I like then, if their so different. According to itunes, when I put my library in it, it came back with most rock, metal, heavy metal, electronic, country, hard rock. Dez, u have seen most, if not all, of my library that's up-to-date, what do u say about it?

## Post 51 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Wednesday, 23-Jul-2008 16:45:14

I think most of your music would be classified as hard rock. You also like you said have electronic and country, and a little bit of heavy metal, but I don't really see what the big deal is, you like what you like, and everybody else around here seems to have an opinion on it, which is cool, because that's their opinion.

## Post 52 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 6:18:54

This is one thing I don't understand. Why is it that wen somebody says, "I think heavy metal sucks," metal fans feel they have to defend themselves. Now, maybe if I said, I think all heavy metal fans are nothing but baby sacrificing Satanists," people would have the right to feel insulted and say so. I listen to a lot of music that I'm sure most people think sucks, if anything just because it's not currently in style. Most of what I enjoy is at least 20 years old or even more, since I started really disliking current music after about 1983, save for what's now known as classic alternative music, long as it was pre-grunge. It was grunge that really made me decide I was just not interested in much that was popular anymore and I completely lost touch. But even in the Seventies and early Eighties, I was more interested in prog rock and classic psychedelia than any hard rock or metal, but that's just me.

## Post 53 by the illusive man (my ISP would be out of business if it wasn't for this haven I live at) on Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 20:29:14

it's not saitanists who listen to metal. There are a lot of christians as well.

## Post 54 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 20:32:50

True. Their is christian rock, metal, and a few heavy metal christian bands too. Just like theirs christian rap.

## Post 55 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 21:11:59

Cody, I said I don't like music from the 80's.
And I never said I didn't like Metallica. Their old stuff is good anyways. Their new stuff is terrible. Metallica
is one of the very few exceptions of music from the 80's that I can tolerate.
Yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Janis Joplin, and Thw Who because they were experimental for their time. I do appreciate music that wasn't part of
my time growing up. I think it's good to keep an open mind and not classify yourself as only liking metal or country or wahtever. You should listen to
a lot of different types of music.
Well, aren't these bands classified as classic rock and the like? Why are you just pin pointing the 80's
Then she goes back to saying
I just don't like 80's metal because it sounds like cats screeching in pain
to me and is completely artless.
Wait a second, you just told me to keep an open mind and you like all the good stuff. Umm hmmmmm quite hipacritical. Weren't the who and the beatles around then as well? So I guess you didn't like them as well since they evolved through the 80's as well.
So then if that is your opinion don't argue with me that this new scream strangling shit sounds like cats screetching in pain to me. Because, quite simply, you are forcing your opinion which that is all it is, down my throat. You don't care what I think or what anyone thinks. If you don't like the block of 10 years called the 80's but like other stuff in the time period then you could state a few bands but your wording indicates that you hate everything. Hmmmmmm well I guess that rush and metallica sound the same. I never knew that one.
Go back to your little hut and play games and keep your head in the sand for all I care. I will not be forced to like other peoples likings and I will not force my opinion on others, however, when one fails to even attempt to see my point of view, like screaming_turtle, I will simply not waste my time. I justified my reasons for saying the older music genres were a lot better audibly. You could understand them. However, she fails to explain to me and others why the newer stuff is better. Unless her reason is that screaming is a much more efficent way of expressing emotion. Well, what if I don't want to hear music about suffering and pain or darkness or death. What if I wannt a more up beat song. Well, you wont' find it in this topic or genre.

## Post 56 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Friday, 25-Jul-2008 23:35:03

I've taken a look around your ftp site, and most of the stuff I've seen could be classified as dark. Godsmack, The Who, Jack Johnson to a point, so please tell me how you're justified in saying you don't listen to dark music. And who said anything about forcing opinions down your throat? If you want me to do that, trust me, I would've tried harder. If you think I'm forcing something on you, then give me a good reason. I know you like to make people look bad just because they don't believe the same stuff you do, but maybe that's just because you think you have to be right all the time. Well, nobody is. Get over it. You have your opinion and I have mine. If you can't respect that, though, then I'll tell you how it is. All I said was that I don't like that type of music. But since you feel like you have to criticize everything, go ahead. I can't stop you. I know what I said, and you twisted it all around, so I'm done posting here, because I got my point across already and you seem to be the only one who didn't get it.

## Post 57 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Friday, 25-Jul-2008 23:50:45

As for your classic rock argument, yes, the bands I mentioned are classic rock. The stuff you like is known as hair metal. So there is a difference. God forbid I'm right though, now you'll try to find another reason to attack me just for that. Oh, and if you ever call me closed-minded again, I will seriously stop talking to you, because if you knew anything about me at all you'd know how ridiculous that is. I'm not racist or stupid, so don't ever say that about me.

## Post 58 by louiano (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 26-Jul-2008 0:08:23

awww, sounds like someone's gotten hurt... music has influences and being weak is perhaps one of these influences... and ftps? hmm.... anyway, as I stated earlier there is a lot that the past has produced which has been great. For those who heard bevop for a time I hope that most of you remember that there was a time in which sounds were not sung to a jazz tune wit bass and piano and horns but they were rather screamed out loud (wihtout any lyrics, or few) over a drumming pattern. The vocal part for such music was done as a way of experimentation to see what other sounds could be created. This was one of the not so great things... but again, i would just rather make my opinions and really, and seriously stick to them. I would accept the fact that screamo may be a form of exploration and "art", but I disagree with its qualities. Maybe the musicians have to play at 1400 beats per half a minute and practice for years to get that kind of style, but lyrics are there to enhance the music. No one said that songs had to be made out of lyrics. This practice (assuming you study history) if you remember, came from the poets and the Irish vallads, when people would go to the houses of most people to entertain an audience. Perhaps even before, songs were sung in a contest in which some kind of god was worshipped. I produce and listen to large quantities of instrumental music. The phrasing is not clear at first and the music might be hard to absorb, but once you grab an instrument and try to reproduce such sounds, harmonize the melody, create your own based on it, once you grasp such things in music will you ever be able to understand more of the underground levels of music and the joy of playing it. In other words, when you are composing music (no, this doesn't mean sit down and scribble half-readable words on paper) you should make your instrument tell a story or "say" something with its own notes (voice). For example, even though I study jazz this doesn't mean I play it 100 percent. I incorporate it in my playing to fit the moods for songs. Sadness, romantic themes, even happiness can be expressed through altered harmonies. This makes your playing somewhat smoother or more disonant, and you have absolute control of what moods you can print on musicians. Notice I say musicians 'cause most common people would just dance to a tediously repetitive drum pattern (or lack there off) with some crudely made up lyrics and no melody, a synth bass and some other kind of barking (rap).

## Post 59 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Saturday, 26-Jul-2008 1:00:57

Juan, thank you. This has been well put. But again, we have been told that kind of music is no good, so we should jsut accept it. It sure sounds like she was shoving it down our throats. Pretty crude don't you think? Jack jonson is not dark, it is happy, however it is the way you perceive things to be. I for one do not like dark deathly music. Not all of godsmack's stuff is about pain. At least most of their stuff if not all of it is audible and can easily be understood. It may be experimental however this experiment isn't grabbing the attention of mine. But, we need to keep in mind, that the general npopulation of today, kids that is, like the Briotney spears type of grind dancing and the sexual nature of rap songs. Show me a rap song that is not about sex, drugs, guns, fighting, stealing,, money, etc. That will be a prertty hard one to do. Why because if you haven't figured it out already, the media is the main culprate. Of course, you can choose not to listen to the radio or tv, but the fact is, is that a lot of kids like this crap. Therefore, they consider it good. I however, see through this junk. That is all. At least I am not sitting here trying to defend myself indirectly saying how good my tastes are or how valid my opinion is. I consider good music, something that is audible and that has meaning. Mean and audible do not fit the cryteria of growling, screaming, 1500 beats per second tempo and over driven guitars and tigers. Thank you. Boy I didn't know you wanted to stop talking to me solely because of my opinion. But that is ok, considering I didn't know that you treat music as your religion and if I offended you, I'm sorry. you dont' see mike getting all flustered about it.

## Post 60 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 26-Jul-2008 12:20:24

Music has tigers in it? I'll have to listen to it more carefuly. O, and as for your claim that rap has no positive lyrics, hmmm let me do a bit of hunting around here...Ahh itunes comes through.
Ok, what about "i'll be missing You" by Puff Daddy, or what about some christian rappers?
Also, as to your comment as to all screamo being dark, did u even read the lyrics I posted?

## Post 61 by The Elemental Dragon (queen of dragons) on Monday, 28-Jul-2008 11:16:10

I'm not sure if they count, but I have to say lincon park are really good, they scream, but they also sing with Mike putting some wrap in there as well.

## Post 62 by louiano (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Monday, 28-Jul-2008 11:23:41

I never said rap had "no possitive" lyrics. I said "some crudely made up" lyrics. These lyrics can be about how you got the latest girl to how many you plan to make fun off to worship and praise (yes, I have heard some of the "christian" rap out there). However, the tedious drumbeat and synth bass line still stands. Its really easy to produce rap anyway... just lets put it this way: A piano player (or a proffessional, opera or pop singer) can rap, but a "rapper" cannot even give me the correct enharmonics for the key of A flat minor, nor can they do something else (other than "beatboxing") that brings them close to the ability that musicians and true singers have.

## Post 63 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Monday, 28-Jul-2008 14:20:25

Their, I'll agree. And Linkin Park is a good example of rock and rap going together, and it works well.

## Post 64 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Wednesday, 30-Jul-2008 21:06:30

But, they scream which is why I do not listen to them. Again, I want talent. I want it to appear to me that they have actually tried, and not just bang on the e string for an entire song. There are some quite talented people out there namely eddy vanHalin or Jimmy Page. They are wel known people whose music has survived. But nowadays I can't even begin tio tell you who plays what and any of their names are, only of godsmack and that is why I appreciate their music. I have researched the band because they've captured my attention. Those are people, or the singer sully at least, was the one who has had a heard life in the city of boston when he was growing up. But you cannot tell me that every band's singer has been abused or every band has to make people feel sorry for themselves. therefore there is no need for all this music to sound this way. Why does rap have to be all about money sex and drugs/violence or all of these things? Why does rock or modern day rock have to sound this way? This is a question no one wants to answer, therefore my point stands.

## Post 65 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Friday, 01-Aug-2008 1:08:51

I think, that it sounds this way, to capture people's attention. Yes, your right, not everyone was abused when they were growing up, but some were.

## Post 66 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Saturday, 02-Aug-2008 1:26:28

For insance, distrubed's lead singer. His family was verry religious, and he rebeled agains them, hence their music. Seether's singer, family, didn't like music in the house. Staind's singer had family issues as well.

## Post 67 by Squiggles (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Aug-2008 9:01:28

then doesn't that say something about society? people are quite restrictive and abusive hmmmm doesn't that sound familiar lol

## Post 68 by SFAIdol (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Sunday, 03-Aug-2008 21:32:12

Songwriters write about their experiences, soe of them good, and some of them, that these rockers have unfortunately experienced, r bad. I like rock music, but I don't like it when they start screaming their lyrics, because I can't understand them. Y not just sing it, not scream it? I feel sorry for their vocal cords.

## Post 69 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Sunday, 03-Aug-2008 22:50:42

Some people just have that tallent though. Shawn Morgan, seethers lead singer says he's been able to scream the way he does his entire life.

## Post 70 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Tuesday, 05-Aug-2008 13:32:19

To be fair, Seether isn't scremo. They're more hard rock and were around long before the drag queens began making quazi rock/metal and calling it emo and scremo.
Same goes for Godsmack. They were singing about voodoo and pain before I even got my first ppentagram. And I was really wondering when somebody'd say it. Rap ... barely entertainment, and in my opinion, not music at all.

## Post 71 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Tuesday, 05-Aug-2008 13:44:42

Some of the true screamo bands really are out to get people to feel sorry for them. Somebody I know told me about an interview with the singer of Fallout Boy where he went on about how many times he attempted suicide and stuff. That to me is attention seeking, not to mention whining and bitching. But at least people like the singers of Staind and Seether have enough dignity to not go into every detail of their lives. They just give you hints and make you wonder, and that makes the lyrics more believable in my opinion. If somebody tells everybody and their mother (aka the media) their life story, it kills their credibility. That's how you know they're either not telling the truth, or they're just trying to get attention because their band is horrible. But if you just say "well there was a lot of conflict in my house growing up" and other things like that, it leaves the lyrics of the actual songs open to interpretation, making them more real.

## Post 72 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Tuesday, 05-Aug-2008 16:57:00

That's definitly true.

## Post 73 by louiano (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Tuesday, 05-Aug-2008 19:22:06

it is interesting to go into some detail, though not to the extent that you want to seem very frustrated and want the world to feel sorry for you. Again, keep in mind that lyrics a re there to enhance the music. Sounds like you really enjoy to read poetry as opposed to listening to the lyrics only. Besides a few other posts i haven't really seen any discussion of the musical aspects of scream or rap or hip-hop.

## Post 74 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Wednesday, 06-Aug-2008 1:08:04

Its basically been a flame war.

## Post 75 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Wednesday, 06-Aug-2008 11:31:56

Yeah...my bad. I'll try to stay on topic this time.

## Post 76 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Wednesday, 06-Aug-2008 20:35:58

Oh yeah, and lyrics are extremely important. If a song has a really good guitar line, really good everything else, and the lyrics are fake or repetitive or just something I wouldn't like, I don't like the song. Songs are there to tell a story, and I always try to analyze what they mean and what the person was feeling when they wrote it. Very rarely, though, if there's a really impressive guitar solo or something, I'll listen to the song for that, but the lyrics have to be at least halfway decent or I won't like it.

## Post 77 by blindndangerous (the blind and dangerous one) on Thursday, 07-Aug-2008 1:50:44

Wow. U do that too? I thought I was the weird guy who analyzed songs. Yay, now i don't feel alone.

## Post 78 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Thursday, 07-Aug-2008 14:50:01

Yep, I've always done that.