# anti-gays, anti-lesbians, anti-bestiality and anti-transgenders board

Category: Dating and Relationships

## Post 1 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 11:16:37

Howdie,
Now us strait people can talk about the topics that seem to piss off all the gay folks. We all know there so open minded and all that crap!
by the way a gay person gave me the idea for this topic after reading the posts on the gay board. They were over and thought it might be amusing for us, wait, did you hear that I said I had a gay person at my house! Oh my, did you know that? There really are gay people in Texas!
anyway, I don't care if your black, white, indian, muslem, christian, blind, quadra plegic, fat, skinny, ugly pretty, smoke, don't smoke. Love goblin, Hate goblin, drink beer, don't drink beer, if your going to adobt and you can't care for a child you shouldn't be able to get one, I'll even go so far is to say there should be a parenting lisense for those fuck ups that can't take care of kids.
house and

## Post 2 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 11:46:20

Dicks are for chicks you silly fag. I love to shove my cock into a nice wet clean shaven vagina, and if someone touched my dick they better be a female. I don't ride the hershey hiway, and never will. Only white property owning males, or biological sons of white property holding males should be able to vote. We should stop this intermixing of the races, we don't need a bunch of sub-human mongoloid children running around. A womans place is in the home and kitchen, and they should not be allowed in the work force under any conditions, I mean I need my meals cooked, not frozen food, and cooking a 13 course meal is an all day process with out any time to work outside the home.

## Post 3 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 11:50:33

I think that there should be a parenting license of some kind for all parents.

## Post 4 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 11:50:52

I think that there should be a parenting license of some kind for all parents.

## Post 5 by Blue Velvet (I've got the platinum golden silver bronze poster award.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 11:51:20

LOL. All I can say is...well...I'm laughing to hard to say anything right now. lololololololol

## Post 6 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 12:06:08

lol... well, true to form, for all the straight people that post on the 'gay' board and have useless non-constructive things to day, I will follow in their vein on this board. Seeing as, the gay, lesbian and transgender's board was started to bring a community together, and promote open-mindedness, this really is pathetic and the low of the low! It promotes all that is wrong with society. And well, seeing as you guys promote freedom of speech on the counterpart board, I intend to follow on the same vein here, by saying that, firstly, blindguy, with an attitude like yours, I hope whatever woman is misguided enough to put her vagina anywhere near you, has enough common sense in her bean of a brain to also have a meat cleaver, so she can chop your dick off in one fell swoop, and save the rest of the world from having anymore obnoxious mini-blindguys born into the world! And I have to agree on the parenting licence thing suggested by Dawson and mysticrain, but by the same style, i would say that starting up and agreeing with such a narrowminded board would constitute a certain immiturity and irresponsibility, which should prevent you from qualifying from having children! And if you think the counterpart board is there for the same reasons, you are completely misguided and have no idea, and there is probably no hope for you! I pity your narrowminded attitudes, and hope i never have the misfortune of meeting your acquaintance!

## Post 7 by changedheart421 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 12:15:09

heck naw. you guys are really low. you want to say that about lesbvians having kids. well how did your mathers take care of you.

## Post 8 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 12:16:47

ah good! well we both agree on something from the get go, you think I'm and idiot and I think your an idiot. gladd to see we got that out in the open from the start! Sure your board started out with good in tensions but we all have those right? What I see happening on your board and you are one of the ones guilty of this is "if you don't agree with me" your a gay hater. It's just like blacks in America if you disagree about reparations, education, crime. oh well your just a racist! it just shows and I guess the same is for the UK, if you don't want to discuss it put a label on it. Degrade the other person. that's what I see you doing on your board, and yes we have freedom of speech here that's why I can post this topic and you can post yours.
the difference I think is I think you should have the right even if I don't like it or agree with it.

## Post 9 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 12:32:40

ROFL doctorlucy. All true points.

## Post 10 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 12:49:16

Who called you an idiot Dawson? It certainly wasn't me, if you read my post above, neither did cookies_and_cream. I don't think you're an idiot in the slightest. And I agree that everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, and to form and express their own opinions, whether I or anyone else likes or agrees with them or not. I was simply passing that in my opinion, it shows a certain degree of immiturity and is slightly pathetic to start up a anti-gay board, for want of a better word, it promotes 'gay-bashing' which isn't pleasant, and implies you to be immature and pathetic. And equivalent board to the gays lesbians and transgenders board would have been to set up a 'straight' board. the difference being Dawson, your board promotes homophobia and sets conflict against the gay community, which is the very reason the counterpart board was established in the first place. It is not, and isn't intended to be a 'straight bashing' board, so one would hope and expect the same degree of maturity and courtesy from the rest of society. And in reply to your 'if you don't agree with me, you're a gay hater' comment, I personally have never said or implied such a thing, and if someone has taken something I said in such a way, then it was misconstrued. However, I will not deny I have argued with blindguy over his homophobia on boards before, for the simple reason, a comment such as "Dicks are for chicks you silly fag", IS, any way you dress it up, a homophobic comment. It would be like saying, although the zone is here for the blind community to communicate, I'm sure it isn't intended as an 'anti-sighted' site. I am sighted, and I sure as hell don't see it that way. It is here, as there are many sites out there which aren't blind user friendly, and the zone fills the niche where that is concerned, without attacking the blind community. Now, if a site was set up that was called something like 'anti-blinduser.com' or something, and went around attacking the blind community, saying 'blind people can't do this, blind people can't do that etc', then we would all agree that is inappropriate and we all would have something to say about that! Everything is so 'i am this, you are that...' It's pathetic! The gay lesbian and transgender board was set up to allow the gay community to converse over topics which affect them, and for straight people to learn more and constructively contribute, similarly as the zone is here for the blind community to converse over things and for sighted people to learn more and constructively contribute and converse also. It was never set up as a straight-bashing board unlike your board Dawson, which is set up and directed in a hostile manner.

## Post 11 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:24:24

ahhh, here goes another oh so wonderful topic. i totally feel the love y'all have for us! well, how bout this? straight marriage is wrong, cuz there're so many marriages nowadays where the couples are not only abusive towards each other, but to their kids as well. you call that normal or okay? not in the slightest!

## Post 12 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:25:46

Then why do you want it so bad? do you think your back yard is so much cleaner?

## Post 13 by The Shuck Fitter (My name is Liam) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:26:21

as long as this board remains civil, I see no problems.

## Post 14 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:27:29

because i know that the woman i marry will love me and care for me as i will her.

## Post 15 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:36:17

I can only answer for myself, not the rest of the gay community. I want to marry my girlfriend because she is the one person in the world who I love more than anything. She's the one person in the world who challenges me to be a better person, and the one person in the world who makes me want to be the best that I can be. No one or anything else has ever had such an effect on me. Nothing makes me happier than being with her, living with her, and sharing my life with her, and I know that I will never be happy without her. She touches parts of me that don't exist when she isn't around. I love, honour, worship and idolise her. I'd lie my life down for her, and I would do anything to make me happy. So Dawson, that is why I want marriage so bad. Because I have met the one person in the world who completes me, and makes me feel and see in ways I never believed possible. So please answer me this: when there is so much love, and devotion and passion and emotion in me, more than words can even explain, then how is it fair that I souldn't be given the same chance as any straight person who is in love? I fell so deeply in love, and yes, to another woman, but it is something so consuming, so whole and passionate that most people could barely understand, and something so special and true that most people in a lifetime only dream of. Then why can't I have the same chance as a straight person, to stand up in front of all my family and friends and tell the world that 'I love this woman, and she is my wife'? Why, when there is so much war and hurt in the world, can people begrudge so much love and passion?

## Post 16 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:43:12

amen lucy, that's exactly how i feel too. though i haven't met that special girl, i know it'll be even better than i imagined when i do.

## Post 17 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:52:28

I couldn't have said it better myself Lucy.

## Post 18 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 13:53:31

You can, it's ccalled a civel union! if you want to get married then you can get married to a strate male, that's what marage is between a man and a woman. hell i went to a gay union between 2 women I know. they got up in front of everyone and devoted there love. etc etc.

## Post 19 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:05:05

Why are you, Dawson, so against gay marriage, but not civil unions?

## Post 20 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:05:45

Fuck what you or society or anyone calls it! When I get married, it's gonna be a wedding, and a marriage! And she'll be my wife! You still haven't explained why I can't have the same as any straight couple? Why belittle it by calling it something different? The feelings are the same, the principle is the same. It's pathetic! How can I expect people who support such a nasty hostile board to understand such love and devotion? Only someone with an ounce of respect and dignity could put their hand on their heart and admit that there shouldn't be a difference. You have it so easy as everything is tailored to suit the straight community. If someone told you Dawson, that the person you loved you couldn't be married to, but only entered into a civil partnership, and she wasn't your wife, but your life partner, then I'm sure you would feel as agrieved as I do.

## Post 21 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:14:05

you can call a dog a cat, but it's still a dog.

## Post 22 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:22:23

what's that supposed to mean? It just merely illustrates my point exactly! You could never understand! I pity that! And you never answered mysticrain's question? Is there a particular reason?

## Post 23 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:27:54

yeah, the reason being lucy, that he's nothing short of an ignorant human being! as we well know, he along with many others, will never understand!

## Post 24 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:35:35

it means you can call it what ever you want but it isn't the same thing no matter how you look at it!
Marriage
The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
civel unions are between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, speaking of them men where are they, they don't seem to give a shit about this here or on the other board.must be a female thing.

## Post 25 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 14:38:38

oh yep sure is, its not you. blame someone else for your shortcomings, yeah, that makes them better. marriage is marriage, reguardless of gender. it signifies the same thing as it does for a straight couple, love! nothing more, nothing less, just that wonderful thing called love!

## Post 26 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:00:43

absolutely right beautiful_dorian. I feel sorry for you, dawson. One day you are going to be descriminated against. And on that day, I hope, for your sake, someone shows more compassion for you then you have for us.

## Post 27 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:04:04

Civil unions in the United Kingdom
there ya go, sounds like you got it over there now!
In
2003,
the
UK
government announced plans to introduce 'civil partnerships' which would allow same-sex couples the same rights as a marriage. The
Civil Partnership Bill
was introduced into the
House of Lords
on
March 30,
2004.
After considering amendments made by the
House of Commons,
it was passed by the
House of Lords,
its final legislative hurdle, on
November 17,
2004,
and received
Royal Assent
on
November 18.
The Act comes into force on
5 December
2005,
so same-sex, but not opposite-sex, couples will be able to form the first civil partnerships on
21 December
2005.
[1]
Separate provisions were included in the first Finance Act 2005 to allow regulations to be made to amend tax laws to give the same tax advantages and disadvantages
to couples in civil partnerhsips as apply to married couples.
In order to counter claims that this is instituting same-sex marriage, government spokespersons have emphasised that civil partnership is quite separate
from marriage. In practice the differences are as follows:
List of 3 items
• A civil partnership becomes legal on the signing of a register, rather than on the speaking of certain words as with marriage.
• It will not be possible to dissolve a civil partnership on the grounds of
non-consummation
or
adultery,
although it should be noted that both non-consumation and adultery can be grounds for dissolution of the partnership as they fall under the provision for
unreasonable behavior.
• The legal definition of a traditional marriage is "life long" whereas the wording of civil partnerships is "long term" and "intended to be permanent".
list end
Apart from the differences outlined above and the use of the word "marriage", civil partnerships and marriages give exactly the same legal rights and operate
under the same constrictions and it is not legal to be in both a civil partnership and a marriage at the same time. Right wing and
Christian
groups have attempted to use this fact to claim
[2]
that this is merely a quiet way of instituting gay marriage and have lobbied for a lesser form of legal recognition to preserve the uniqueness of marriage
under the law.
Conversely, many who are in favour of legal
same-sex marriage
object that civil partnerships fall short of granting equality. They see legal marriage and civil parterships as artificially segregated institutions, and
draw parallels with the
racial segregation
of the
United States'
past.

## Post 28 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:11:14

no, mysticrain that won't happen I am strate and I won't become gay, you don't become gay anyway you know your born that way! I don't have anything against gays, as I said above I've gone to a gay union in the past. I have gay friends.

## Post 29 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:11:51

dawson, civil partnerships arent the same thing as marriage, that's what you need to understand! they're far from it, and its not fair!

## Post 30 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:20:31

nowhere in jen's post did she say anything about you turning gay. all she said was one day you'll be discriminated against, and maybe learn your lesson, but i highly doubt it.

## Post 31 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:22:27

Dawson, I didn't mean that you will be discriminated against for being gay. But you could be discriminated against for a number of other things. And just the name of your borrd suggests that you have a problem with homosexuality. But other then that, you feel so strongly about marriage being only between a man and a woman that, no matter what you say, is discriminatory.
To show another form of discrimination that can happen. My friends and i were trying to board a bus to go to the casino, and the driver would not let us, because a couple of my friends had guide dogs. He flat out refused. That is discrimination.

## Post 32 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:49:23

Let me make one thing clear. I'm not a homofobe, I'm an asshole. A very suttle yet important distinction. If you wish I could dig up the old post where I said I believe gay people should have civil unions. I have gay friends, and don't think any less of them for being gay. I just don't feel that you should allow marriage with two members of the same sex, since that isn't what marriage is. Religious belief yes, something I'm standing by yes. History may prove me to be a minority biggit, and if it does to damn bad I'm sticking by it.

## Post 33 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:52:49

Well why not make it legal and let each church decide if they will perform the ceremony. church and state are supposed to be separate. There are churches that don't disapprove of homosexuality.

## Post 34 by icequeen (move over school!) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:53:46

I don't understand people who say they have gay friends and then turn around and show bigotrous attitudes such as the above. It's ludicrous.

## Post 35 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 15:57:02

exactly icequeen

## Post 36 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 16:09:47

amen to both of you. blindguy i dont believe you or any straight person for that matter should get married...how's that for size?

## Post 37 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 16:16:06

right. It's ok for you straight people to do what you want, just keep it behind close doors. I shouldn't be subjected to your lifestyle. I don't have a problem with straight people, in fact some of my closest friends are straight, but I don't think that you should be married.
Doesn't that sound both hippocritical and ludicrous?

## Post 38 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 17:04:22

and doesnt that make you see what assholes you sound like when saying we dont have that right?

## Post 39 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 17:37:51

No, because you may think that. Unfortionately we are in the majority so it'll be a streight world more or less for better or worse, life's a bitch then I come on read all of your posts and my life looks better.

## Post 40 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 19:38:41

it's such a shame that the basis of your argument is strictly either your religious beliefs, or what society says. society is too damn close minded for my liking, but i know it'll change soon, weather you want it to or not! blindguy, dawson, and all the other gay haters really make us a thousand times mor proud to be who we are, so thanks for talking shit...it really and truly means a lot!

## Post 41 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 19:46:43

hey bg, don't all the strate haters make you feel proud! they give me that warm cuddyly snuggly feeling inside!

## Post 42 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 19:46:55

i know dawson's a hot sexy straight male with a nice package who only like weman

## Post 43 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 19:48:42

doesn't that make me a lesbian too? maybe we need to get that civel union!

## Post 44 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 19:53:20

It makes me feel almost as warm and cuddly as my penus in a vagina.

## Post 45 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 20:19:41

hopefully no girl will ever be stupid enough to have sex with you jarred.

## Post 46 by dissonance (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 20:51:18

Oh my. Okay, Dawson in starting this board by that topic didn't you realize that it would only trigger us pro gay, lesbian, and bisexuals to come on here? Hahahahahahahahahaha this is so sad! Right on Doctorlucy and Chelsea and jessica and all the rest of yall. I'm going to walk away now before someone makes me punch something!

## Post 47 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 21:05:00

of course, if you all are just now figureing that out? well. then! duh! Jokes on you!
oh, and try anger management classes, they do help!

## Post 48 by icequeen (move over school!) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 21:28:28

seems like someone should take their own advice about those anger management classes. Obviously you have some anger issues since you created this board in retaliation of the glbt board.

## Post 49 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 21:44:04

according to the bible a marriage is between a man and a woman. Not between a man and a man, or a woman and woman. Homosexuality is a stench in god's nostrils.
God did not want a woman to give her heart and soul to another woman, he didn't want men to be together devoting oneself to the same sex, homosexuality is a sin people whether you like it or not.

## Post 50 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 22:27:01

what the hell's up with you jessica? you claimed you were bi, now someone has probably talked you out of it, which's rediculous!

## Post 51 by icequeen (move over school!) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 22:33:00

I was recalling the same thing... former curiosities and claims of being bi. This is certainly an 180 degree turn about.

## Post 52 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 23:06:58

All lesbians and verious other homo's need to be analized to see why they are so screwed up to be that way

## Post 53 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 23:09:41

I was just bringing up what the bible says what I believe is totally different.

## Post 54 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 23:18:17

so then you dont follow the text of the bible then so your not religious

## Post 55 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Nov-2005 23:35:13

god loves me even though i'm gay. he made me this way for a reason.

## Post 56 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 9:56:40

People who hide behind the bible are narrow minded followers. Did you know that the bible also supports slavery? It supports raping women. It has 2 different versions of the creation story. The bible has been translated and retranslated so many times to fit the need of the white male over the centuries, that you don't really truly know what God approves and disapproves of. It's a shield for people who can't or won't think for themselves.

## Post 57 by icequeen (move over school!) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 10:11:43

Also, when Jesus walked the Earth he did away with all the old Jewish law and old testimant.

## Post 58 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 11:59:09

Erm, well I don't believe in god, so I don't relate to any of the biblical or religious comments passed on here. Secondly, however, if I did believe in a religion, and that there was a godly figure which ruled us, then I don't believe that he would be so narrowminded to claim that all people had to be and react in one way. If you claim to be religious, you can't claim to 'love thy neighbour' in one hand and then persecute them for not conforming to what a loosely translated text (which can have many various translations) claims to be wrong. I have nothing against religion or religious people, everyone is entitled to what they want to believe, but there are religious people who see and accept you for who you are, and there are those which hide behind a book or their religion, with little thought for anything else.
Let me propose this. The same principles of this homosexuality vs religion thing can be illustrated by the more extreme example of muslim suicide bombers targeting British and American populations. They believe the Quran should be litterally translated to the extreme which tells them to kill and give their life as a martyr. Like what happened in 9/11 and all sorts. Now, using the same principles for gay marriage, 'the bible states man and woman marry, not man and man etc' is the general jist. And that has to be right, cos the bible says so. But these suicide bombers believe the Quran tells them to kill and act in such ways. Does that make their actions right or justifiable? Like fuck does it. So where do we draw the line? Who is right? They are both religions?
The way I see it, taking religion too literally causes a whole heap of problems. I am gay and was born that way. I can't change that, even if I wanted to, as much as those who are straight could make themselves gay. I can't make myself any less gay, or any more straight just to suit society or conform to a religious text. All I ask is that we don't take such texts too literally and allow the gay community to have exactly the same rights and terms as the straight community. As, I'm sure we would all hope and pray the muslim community not take the Quran too literally and stop the senseless killings. I don't look for approval from anyone. I only ask for equality and respect for me to live my life in the way which is right for me.

## Post 59 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 14:55:20

lucy, i don't believe in god either, i was just saying that to see what believers in him would say. i'm not willing to compromise my beliefs to fit society, cuz then, i'd be untrue to myself.

## Post 60 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 15:47:32

If you don't believe in god then there's no way he made you gay. You chose your life style and with out his gidence and presence in your life you sinned, he is not responsible for any of our actions including those who are nonbelievers. Hay Hittler sinned by killing a shitload of people, you are sinning by loving another woman as only a man and should love.

## Post 61 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 16:00:31

And your reply to my comment was blindguy? I'm interested to know what someone who believes in religion thinks of that aspect of things.

## Post 62 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 16:19:23

I was responding to post 59, you arn't worth the effort to scrole up and read your post.

## Post 63 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 16:32:15

Thanks for the compliment. I'd be worried under any other circumstance! Still, you probably couldn't answer as it is a fair point, and you don't really respond to fair points, the complexity of thought is too great for you! Best to stay hidden behind your little book of religion and your ignorant ego.

## Post 64 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 16:40:12

i dont have to believe in god to know i'm gay...guess you have to believe in him to know you're straight though.

## Post 65 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 17:07:55

no all gay people are miss wired you said god made you gay if you dont beleive in him then satan must have made you gay

## Post 66 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 17:29:29

maybe i'm just gay for a reason, and not by choice either. did any of you choose to be straight?

## Post 67 by mysticrain (Art is born of the observation and investigation of nature.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 17:39:47

thank you Chelsea. There are gay people who are religious. There are gay people who are not religious. There are straight people who are religious. There are straight people who are not religious. There are many different religions with different teachings. Some are accepting of homosexuality, and some that are not. If the teachings of one religion says that God approves of certain actions and another religion says He doesn't, which is the right religion and the rightful God?
This is a question that has been debated over the centuries. Even horrible wars have been faught over religion. So to use religion to back up your own agendas and beliefs just shows that you don't think for yourself. And if you don't like homosexuality for personal reasons, then just say it. And stop hiding behind a supposed word of God.

## Post 68 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 26-Nov-2005 19:28:31

okay, so i take it all of you chose to be straight, and that's what i'll go on assuming until you can convince me otherwise.

## Post 69 by lights_rage (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 4:31:18

dosson i hope your dick falls off same with blind guy you all should not be allowed under any circumstance to have kids. I agree with doctor lucy and her friends marriage is not just between a man and a woman its between two peopole who love each other the first several posts on this board show me just how sick this placer is.

## Post 70 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 9:28:25

thanks for your support metallica_girl, we really appreciate it. :)

## Post 71 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 9:33:32

To post 69 learn to type a semi coherent sentence.

## Post 72 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 10:58:20

there's no need for that jarred, you make typos too, so you can't talk. we're all human, we all make mistakes.

## Post 73 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 12:05:25

actually Labyrinth is right on, he wrote something on the anti-strate bord that I was probably bored and wanted to ster the pot a bit! I didn't want to reply there so far this topic is climbing steadly and tomorrow is the week starts so it's possible will break the 200 message mark.
Drama is so popular around here and I know it did the rest of ya some good, got your heart rates up an all. and did you really think you would change anyones mind? that's about like me trying to make you strate! People when it comes to religion, politics, sex are generally set in there ways. oh and about metallica_girl that wasn't a mistake she allways writes like a 10 year old!

## Post 74 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 12:17:37

Beautiful_Dorian it's spelled j a r e d not j a r r e d

## Post 75 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 12:31:50

what drama, personally, I believe that marriage is simply between 2 that love each other. So why, is it that so many decided that only a man and a woman can be married. and some of the others here have much worse spelling than mg

## Post 76 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 14:11:41

i dont care bg, you knew what i meant, and that's all that matters. its ashame that both you and dawson are so insecure with yourselves that you have to criticize others. thanks yanky g, we appreciate it soooo much!

## Post 77 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 15:42:05

no problem

## Post 78 by Beautiful Insanity (Princess is in the building!!) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 16:12:41

oy! you guys are just...pathetic! sheesh, i am so just...wow. how pathetic

## Post 79 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 16:14:51

indeed they are!

## Post 80 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 16:41:12

well to post 69 just to let you know metallica girl you can kiss off for that remark about dawson

## Post 81 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 16:45:24

It surprises and amuses me that Dawson admits he was bored and wanted to purposely create drama. Um, thanks for the honesty I suppose, but I guess that's the difference between you and me. I hope I never get that bored in my life, ever! I do think he's right that most people are stubborn when it comes to really hot-button topics, but I also find if they see that somebody disagrees, they seem to want to change that person's mind and will keep picking and picking and picking in the hopes the supposedly ignorant person who disagrees will finally cave in and say they're right. This is true of everybody, mind you, not just one group or another. Doesn't matter if you're gay or bi or straight, black or white, liberal or conservative, you all do it. I've seen it happen much too often to be making things up. Emotions get stirred up and the whole idea of agreeing to disagree is thrown out the window and laughed at as a bunch of happy-hippy fluffy-bunny crap. LOL!

## Post 82 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 16:54:12

Labyrinth: can you please pass the good stuff? grin

## Post 83 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 17:24:32

boo boo you can go jack off for that remark. :)

## Post 84 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 19:24:27

boo boo, and dawson, fuck off, you're not well liked in the first place, and all you're doing is giving everyone fuel to really burn this place down. your views are that, your views, but in none of the boards, did anyone say how horrible straight people were, it's a rather shitty way to get your point across.

## Post 85 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 19:29:35

right on yankie!

## Post 86 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 20:02:31

lol. as if yankee g is well liked. he's a retarted sounding kid, and speaking of jacking off!

## Post 87 by icequeen (move over school!) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 20:16:32

Well he does at least have kind and supportive things to say to people, and that counts for a lot.

## Post 88 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 20:43:54

you all want to say how bad me and dawson are well all we did was voice our opinions as did all you. your real fast to put people down about voicing their thoughts but al of you where doing the same thing so maybe you need to look at yourself before calling some one else things

## Post 89 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 21:02:30

boo boo, you're spelling is quite shitty, I'd become literate if i were you

## Post 90 by julians mom (Veteran Zoner) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 21:31:34

well yankee your not to hot at it yourself why dont you find something better to do with your time than be a childish dork was that clear enough for you or don't you understand english

## Post 91 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 21:58:58

boo boo, proper punctuation can go a long way y'know? you probably dont even know what that is, lol. i could say the same for you and dawson...you're quick to judge homosexuals and you dont even know them!

## Post 92 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Sunday, 27-Nov-2005 22:14:21

wow, this is quite entertaining

## Post 93 by Jess227 on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 0:16:01

sex, jobs, relationships, marriage, lives, and kids are to be between a man and a women.

## Post 94 by Jess227 on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 0:17:19

I also believe gays, lesbians whatever it is you call it are all freaks! And will go to hell! Those who are straight are normal and will go to to a better place!

## Post 95 by icequeen (move over school!) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 0:47:38

So all straight people get to go to this better place you speak of? Also, religion is not supposed to be about condemnation. Jesus preached love and kindness. He always reached out, with kindness, to the outcasts of his time. As the saying goes, "you attract more bees with honey." Some religious fundamentalists seem to forget all of the above though.

## Post 96 by lights_rage (I just keep on posting!) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 5:43:11

well, I think some people here need some profesional help. I still stand my ground if you love a person then you have a right to be married. And the rest of you have no right to talk about spelling and shit because you all can't spell and shit either.

## Post 97 by KC8PNL (The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 6:01:33

Why would I want to go to hevin if all of my friends are in hell? To all of you religious types, wtf happened to the seperation between church and state? I say lets bann marriage altogether and we can all just have civil unions. I still don't see why one particular lifestyle deserves more rights or priveledges than another.

## Post 98 by Luce (Zone BBS Addict) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 9:28:10

thanks for your opinion blindvi, but I don't give a rats arse what you think, or where you think I'm gonna end up cos I'm gay. And with an attitude like that, I take it as a compliment that you think I'm a freak! Narrowminded attitudes like that should have been sunk with the Titanic!

## Post 99 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 14:19:07

Well, I'm straight, but people could say that since I cannot see I am a freak. I guess I'm going to that mythical hell-place merely for being who I am. Man, I should really cut out all this damn rebellion and just start seeing because that's what normal people do or else the loving merciful god who spends most of his time hating will punish me when he has supposedly allegedly created me in the first place! I love religion!

## Post 100 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 14:39:26

Hmm, seems like the narrow minded attitudes reside on both the straight and the gay side of the debate dear doctor.
As for church and state separation if we are talking marriage in the Christian sense that does not, in fact, apply since it is a religious ceremony.
I'm still not clear on whether the gay people want to have the right to get married in a church or in a civil institution.
As for adoption, well, I think gay people should undergo the same screening as other people do. Sadly all the gay people I knew in college (granted it's not many but about 5 or 10) had one thing in common, they engaged in all sorts of weird sexual activities and partied and drank more than any other person I knew and none of those would make a good parent for a kid. However if a gay couple did not act like that I see no reason why they should not be considered but I still think ideally a child should have a person of each gender raising them if possible.
I'm not sold on the idea that homosexuality is a genetic trait, it could be but I know there is also a big social side to it, for one thing you do not develop your sexuality until you reach pubety and secondly there has been no research to establish a genetic reason for it.
But, bottomline, the whole debate is extremely immature and I've seen people on both sides act way out of line, seriously, people should not let their sexuality permiate everything they do, I feel there's way too much of that especially in the bi/gay community (just watch Little Britain if you don't believe me &LT;grin>). I don't care who you sleep with at night or where you stick it or what you have stuck in .. it's really none of my business and I'm happy living in ignoracnce over it and I do not want facts about it shoved down my throat. I don't understand it but there's tons of things in the world I don't understand, and if this makes you happy, plese go ahead and enjoy it. We all deserve to be happy and find a way to do so as long as it does not harm someone else. Either way I think this board has been evoted to rather silly exchanges of insults, mostly by people that I expected better from.
cheers
-B

## Post 101 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 16:56:42

scott, your post made so much sense, honestly, this has been so overdrawn, and blindvi, I'll see you in hell, I won't go there beciuse I am gay, because, I'm not, but I'll be there, and so will you.

## Post 102 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 18:12:41

if gay people go to hell, why not just say everyone goes...that's fair enough eh? wb, if being gay isn't genetic, then what is it? you didn't choose to be straight, did you? but you're gonna imply that gays chose to be? we're not by any means shoving it down anyone's throat, just look at who created the topic! the reason the gays, lesbians, and transgenders board was made, was so we could discuss issues of importance to us. it was not to single ourselves out and shove it in people's faces. that's the last thing we wanted, now can we please all be civil towards one another reguardless of sexual orientation? dawson, you claim to have gay friends, so why're you picking on us?

## Post 103 by icequeen (move over school!) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 19:32:46

Very good post Chelsea! *applauds*

## Post 104 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 28-Nov-2005 21:52:21

How do any of you know heaven or hell exists in the first place. Have you been there already, or are you going on what that one book tells you? What if we don't go anywhere? And, if there is a heaven, what if your deity is much more liberal and accepting than you make him out to be. You gay-haters make God look like the spiritual form of Pat Robertson or something. Sheesh!

## Post 105 by lights_rage (I just keep on posting!) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 9:32:29

i love asking this did you christians go talk to a dead person to tell you that they talked to jesus and are in heaven no you didn't damn i hate religion

## Post 106 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 10:16:14

wow, dude that is like so killer man, How much weed did you have to smoke to come up with that one! Oh and Bd my gay friends aren't so shallow to dislike me over a difference of opinion! maybe you need to check who your friends are.

## Post 107 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 10:25:40

I must appologize for that last message, it's just when ever I read one of metallica girls messages I lose about 5000 brain cells. Now back to your regularly scheduled flame fest.

## Post 108 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 12:10:34

B.D.
There is, as-yet no genetic reason for people's sexual orientation, there's a possibility that changed hormonal balance changes peole's sexual orientation especially during puberty (the ocean water, believe it or not, has considerable amounts of female hormones in it since some genius working on developing the pill just flushed all the materials, hormes etc into the rivers), this might play a part, I don't know, bu as yet they hve not discovered any physical reason people lean towards gay vs straight factor and, yes, I am sure there are as-yet undiscovered differences but I think it's a bit of a choice as well, not so much choice perhaps as social influence, if you hang around gay people a lot during your puberty you may experiment with a gay person and it may lead to falling in love .. and, by the way, I'm not saying that's wrong or you are now condamned forever, I just wonder if that helps, I've seen a person who had straight relationships and seemed to be very straight make best friends with gay people and ended up going out with a girl for years. I guess lots of people may have the curiousity to explore their gay side and if they are a part of a group where that is practiced or considered, well the norm then they have more of an incentive to experiment with it since the social stigma of it is less acute. I personally never understood it, like I said but, if you're in love with someone who loves you back and is over 18, all the power to you.

## Post 109 by KC8PNL (The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 21:09:41

Whether having a sexual preference is biological and/or social in nature, I don't see how that contributes to our discussion. Also, if, in fact, you believe in God and rely on him to guide your life, why not also leave such judgments to him as well? If God hates gay people, this assumes there is a God in the first place, than that God will send all those he doesn't like to hell regardless of how you treat that person now. So, why not treat gay/bi/transexual people with just as much respect as you do anyone else? Further, how the hell does it affect your life if gays are alloud to marry or not? I'll bet no Christian has the balls to even respond to these challenging questions. Believe me, it's a slippery sloap, and by taking these questions in to consideration, you may drive yourselves crazy.

## Post 110 by KC8PNL (The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.) on Tuesday, 29-Nov-2005 21:12:59

esides, since most of you responding are either Brittish or American, let me ask you this. Don't we have more important things to worry about besides how others have sex? Last I checked, there were lots of homeless people in this country, we were at war, and thousands of people are dying around the world everyday due to starvation and other issues. Shouldn't those be bothering you more than whether gay people mary or not?

## Post 111 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 30-Nov-2005 2:12:25

I think people get upset over who should marry or how people have sex because they have developed these overly simple ideas of right and wrong and what is normal and what is not. To them, all that is normal is good and all that is not normal is dark Satanic evil. Helping the homeless or being concerned for the suffering in the world does not include the persecution of the un-normal, so it's not worth doing, plus you might actually get your hands dirty or get involved with lower classes of people, and normal people just don't do those kinds of things, right?

## Post 112 by OrangeDolphinSpirit (Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains?) on Wednesday, 30-Nov-2005 4:46:45

My philosophy has always been "Live and let live". Honestly, I don't believe gay people are born gay, nor do I believe that straight people are born straight. Like Wildebrew was saying, I believe it has a lot to do with social influence--with the way society is these days. I was bicurious for a while, but it was only due to the fact that I hung out with people who talked about that sort of thing all the time. Got me interested in trying it, and for a while, I might have called myself bi. But you know, it just wasn't for me. And judging by experience, I think homosexuality is a choice. But yeah, you guys. Dawson and Blindguy and whoever was involved with creating this board. Quit bein' immature jerks already.
-- Allie

## Post 113 by yankee g wolverine (Account disabled) on Wednesday, 30-Nov-2005 16:50:09

thumbs up to allie!

## Post 114 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Wednesday, 30-Nov-2005 17:43:33

it has nothing to do with social experiences, i know cuz i personally havn't had much, therefore, you can't say i'm gay cuz of it. it's sure as hell not a choice either, i didn't wake up one morning and say, "oooh man, that girl's hot", it just happened. i am who i am, and if society can't accept it, that's their problem, not mine.

## Post 115 by OrangeDolphinSpirit (Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains?) on Wednesday, 30-Nov-2005 21:24:10

Yes, I understand, which is why I'm for the "agreeing to disagree" thing.
-- Allie

## Post 116 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Thursday, 01-Dec-2005 9:34:33

There is no proven genetic basis for being gay, so unless you can prove there is one, your experiences must have had some part to play in you liking vagina even if you don't think so.

## Post 117 by Blue Velvet (I've got the platinum golden silver bronze poster award.) on Thursday, 01-Dec-2005 12:22:00

Actually a lot of research has been done to find out if there is some genetic reason for homosexuality. So far, for some reason, the studies seem to center around gay men rather than women. But I have read that there is a difference in the brains of gay men from those of straight men. Also, they have found that a high percentage of men who were born to mothers who lost their husbands during World War II turned out to be gay. In other words, the trauma of having their husband killed in the war while they were pregnant somehow changed their chemistry and caused changes in the brain of the male fetus. Again, this same study was not done to see if war widows carrying female children had the same high percentage of babies who turned out to be gay.
And since I've decided to get into this discussion, I'll express a personal opinion. I think that in some cases, lesbians do make the choice to become lesbians. I don't know if the same is true for men though. My opinion is based on two women I've met who stated that they made the choice. Both of them were in abusive relationships with men and decided to give up on men and try women.

## Post 118 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Thursday, 01-Dec-2005 14:00:13

Who Knows, it sounds to me about the brains being different that maybe it's a type of mental disorder, like Bi-polar etc. I can just see the Gay-loft commercials now! I think that if you haven't had any social experiences and you think your gay until you find out for sure your just confused the same way I think bi-sexuals are confused.

## Post 119 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 02-Dec-2005 19:06:59

if you're just basing your oppinions strictly off of what you've heard from those two women, i feel sorry for you. as i've said time and time again, you don't know me, therefore, you can't tell me what i know and don't know about myself.

## Post 120 by Blue Velvet (I've got the platinum golden silver bronze poster award.) on Friday, 02-Dec-2005 21:47:02

Beautiful_Dorian, if you read my post carefully, you'll see that I was not attacking you personally. You're right, I don't know you. I said I think "some" lesbians make the choice. I joined in this discussion late, and you and I have never talked, so don't jump down my throat because you're pissed off at some of the negative things said on here.

## Post 121 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 02-Dec-2005 22:31:27

that wasn't fully directed towards you, i'm sorry. i was talking to dawson and his clan.

## Post 122 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Saturday, 03-Dec-2005 1:13:41

Oy, too much arguing and bashing on the board, look something I find the most interesting is this, straight people don't like gay people and gay people don't like straight people, well most of them anyway. But Yet if you think about it they both agree on something, they both hate bisexual people, I guess I just wonder why?

## Post 123 by icequeen (move over school!) on Saturday, 03-Dec-2005 1:52:35

Jessica, this may be due to some stereotyping. I think many have this idea that bi people are more permiscuous. I personally tend to see bisexuality as being open to love and attraction for who a person is rather than what they are in terms of gender.
Many straight people seem to be more comfortable with someone being bi than being gay. This may be because the bi person is viewed as being half normal i.e. half straight). Also, it's no big secret that many men love the idea of having a bi gf because it's a great fantacy to them. They may believe on some level, that maybe one day the bi gf will grant the wish of a 3-some etc.
In some levels of the glbt community, I think there are those who take issue to the bisexual sector. This may be because they feel that bi people give the rest of the gay community a bad name.... in that they make things more difficult for those gay households who are trying to fit into the norm of society... living the American average life of the house with the picket fence, the dog, the two children etc. They are trying to show that their lives are much the same as any other American family for the exception of having a same-sex partner. So there again it may come down to bisexuals being stereotyped as being permiscuous people.

## Post 124 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 03-Dec-2005 19:20:29

that sounds about right to me amber. at least from what i've heard/read, bi people are "gross" according to society.

## Post 125 by Nick6489 (11 years a Zoner) on Saturday, 17-Dec-2005 14:27:14

There is a difference between a gay and a Faggot. A Gay is someone who doesn't wave it in your face. A Faggot does. Neither side, however, should be allowed to marry, because marriage is a sacrament in the Bible, and as it is, most if not all Gay people I have talked to have acted like total and complete idiots. You mean to tell me that those who act like idiots, setting bad examples for society, should be allowed to have children? A further point...jese I'm on a role with this one. Say a Gay couple adopts. If the child is the opposite gender to their parents, consider the situation on their side. They, having a young mind, are either confused about themselves having say a vagina rather than a Penis, or are of the same gender to the couple and until they go to school, have never seen a member of the other gender before. How do you explain the difference between gays and straits to a five year old? Okay, all of you gay people who are getting defensive, think about that one!

## Post 126 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Sunday, 18-Dec-2005 0:59:37

Wow your a moron. First I bet you've met many people who were gay, and you never knew it, and said people wern't idiots. Gay people don't have a monopoly on being total ass clowns, your proof of that. Second virtually all kids are taken out of the house by age five, and these children will have sceen both men and women in public, and probably gone down to the local park and played with both boys and girls, damn idiot.

## Post 127 by Nick6489 (11 years a Zoner) on Sunday, 18-Dec-2005 9:02:28

Fuck off Blindguy, don't you dare call me an Ass clown when you make fun of people for being upset at shit, and work your absolute hardest to give people...except for Farhan and members outside your gender, Hell. M message to you, Go fuck yourself, or have Farhan fuck you in the ass.

## Post 128 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Monday, 19-Dec-2005 3:49:27

Wow and you made such a logical rebuttal to my argument. I don't treat all girls nicely either, and unlike you ass clown Farhan actually has some decent redeaming value.

## Post 129 by Star (Honorary Bitch of the Zone) on Monday, 19-Dec-2005 8:24:08

Why not also have all blind and deaf idiots back into asylums for the blind and deaf living in cages like they did back in the 1800s and 1900s. I don't think that people who are blind and deaf should have children and spread their horrible disabilities to the population so it is our duty to castrate and sterilize them all to prevent them from havind idiot children. Forget about them voting, cause they will never own any property as it is. Blindguy you are right. Only non disabled white property owners should vote. So I guess your blind ass will be are back in the asylum so forget sticking your cock in a clean shaven pussy cause you won't have a cock to begin with. It will chopped off to prevent you from spreading your horrid handicap to the rest of us. Cheers. Star

## Post 130 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 19-Dec-2005 19:03:26

nick6489, you are an idiot! i definitely agree with jared here. i'm at a loss for words, and i'm almost positive you know some gay people, but it's probably the farthest thing from your mind, since you're such good friends with them.

## Post 131 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Thursday, 29-Dec-2005 13:22:15

damn, blind guy did you let this topic die? how dare you! haven't you seen there's nothing but sludge on the boards lately. oh that and stargates game of see how many topics he can start. anyone notice there still hasn't been a gay man waying in on the marage thing? oh and if gay men could have kids would it be like that old movie with arnold? the one where he got preggy?

## Post 132 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2006 14:32:12

I had too!

## Post 133 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2006 15:48:41

*yawn* .. one very important distinction between deaf and blind people on onehand and gay people on the other regarding having children. Blindor deaf people actually physically will have kids if they engage in sex whereas gay people, unless they resort to straight measures, cannot reproduce. Anyone that can naturally have a baby has the right to, granted he/she finds a partner and there's nothing society can or should do about it.
It just gets tiring that there'snothing but gay/lesbian discussion on almost every board like those people are so insecure about their status they have to shove their homosexuality down everyone's throats and make it the topic of discussion. I don't understand it, if it makes them happy, sure, if they meet the same standards as straight people for adoption regarding family life, income, other prorlems etc I don't see why they shouldn't adopt. Those that I've met and known (while not many) kind of disturbed me, too much into threesomes, different partners and gay rights and I wouldn't even let them baby sit my kids if I had any. But a friend of mine from here knows 3 gay coules who have been together for 30 years and are still in a very exclusive, quiet and loving relationship and I respect all people who manage that regardlessof their sexuality.cheers
-B

## Post 134 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 04-Mar-2006 17:24:22

we're not shoving it down anyone's throat, or at least i'm not. no one's perfect, but i believe we should all be treated equally, no matter what.

## Post 135 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Saturday, 04-Mar-2006 18:15:01

Hmmmm, ok, this is my view and i offer it because i'm a person who still has the right of freedom of speech. If Gays and lesbiens can't have children, then i think drug adicts, alcoholics shouldn't be allowed to iether, indeed i think it's far more important to stop these kinds of people from having children than gays and lesbiens. But, i do still feel if there is an option for a child to go to a household that has both male and female parents, then the child should go to that particular home, simply because it provides the child with a male and female influence. Many children have issues if they grow up with only one parent of one or another of the genders. They grow up without an influence that they need, and psychologically this is damaging for the child. Particularly if the child is of opiset gender to the parent.
Also, and i know this is a sad fact of life, it will make sure there's less difficulty for the child as they grow up and have their friends around to play and socialise, could you imagine what it would do to a child to be teased for having gay parents?
As for gay marriages i don't see why they shouldn't be aloud to happen and why the united states is so opposed to it i just can't fathem, but there's lots of things about the united states i don't get, so...
and it's true, we should be worried about the people who are dieing all over the world rather than something like this. All the wars that are being fought, all the human rights that are being abused, even in our own back yards. start looking at the bigger picture.

## Post 136 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 04-Mar-2006 18:57:03

amen loui!

## Post 137 by Pure love (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2006 10:34:46

I don't mind homosexuals, it's their choice. I mean fine, if oyu want to vent about them, then do. But it shouldn#T turn out to be a fight, such as pro- and contra homosexuality. Lol

## Post 138 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2006 11:39:26

Gal, true, as far as adoption goes, but you cannot stop people from biologically having a child, if they want to conceive you cannot e.g. disconnect their reproductive systems simply because they are alcoholics, hence I think as far as adoption goes gay people should of course, be treated equally and their sexuality taken into account only if it is proven that it is an influencing factor on the child's well being, growing up.
Gal is right that, ideally, one should have the influance of both genders growing up and evenin one's friend groups. I know, personally, I feel there is something majorly wrong if I don't have a mixed gender group of friends, I feel including both guys and girls at a party or work place or school is somehow unnatural and encourages strange social dynamics. I think both genders have a lot to offer, not just sexually or relationship wise but just socially, and one should be as exposed to that as possible, just like one needs to be exposed to religions, points of view, ethnicity etc.
cheers
-B

## Post 139 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2006 16:47:53

exactly wb, and if we all had ideal lives to grow up in there'd be no mental health or social issues at all would there?

## Post 140 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2006 15:18:10

... and she gets the sarcasm awards. There's nothing wrong with trying to minimize the issues, in fact it's our duty to strive towards that goal.

## Post 141 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Thursday, 09-Mar-2006 0:56:19

yes, it's our duty, but at times i think that many of us go about it the wrong way, when will we realise that it's ok to talk about these issues?

## Post 142 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Wednesday, 21-Jul-2010 12:36:58

I just thought I would wake this board up again! it's been a while!

## Post 143 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Wednesday, 21-Jul-2010 14:14:28

Hurray, and I echo much of what you have said on post 1!

## Post 144 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Wednesday, 21-Jul-2010 14:23:24

wow, how immature I was back then...you live and learn, though.

## Post 145 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Thursday, 22-Jul-2010 14:54:25

Let me say I am not "antigay" but I guess you might say I have my views...just see the gay marrage topic on the let's talk board. Live and let live and all that. I'm not to thrilled about the beastiality, however.

## Post 146 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Thursday, 22-Jul-2010 17:31:59

Glad to see some of you all gay folks know not all us straights / breeders are weird like that. I do sorta get tired of the overabundance of gay gay gay all the time but I do that with any group. I mean have a show, have a character who's gay, of course that factors in how it factors in, but the show doesn't have to become all about being gay. I'm blind, I'm a dad, I'm a programmer, but none of these things have to be the forefront, and gays aren't the only ones who do this. Many groups do it, the blind do it which is one reason aside from this site I don't particularly like blind interest groups much.
Another area both sides get wrong is the genetics / physical thing. If they find there's no genetic mutation for homosexuality, no gay gene as it were, that doesn't mean being gay is a choice. It can mean it's a birth defect. My blindness and my seizures are not geneetic, but they're physical in nature. There is no known direct cause for either, there are simply a couple parts missing in the hardware.
Personally I'm not convinced sexuality is a socialization thing: I can't see being with a guy and never really have. I don't even know what it's like to question my own sexuality, gender, or anything else like that. And I do know very well what it's like to question a lot of things about myself, especially when I was younger. Unscientific as it sounds, I'm rather led to believe it's biological somehow. I think some of this gay this and gay that will settle down once they've got their footing and the rights they need to pursue a normal life, it's just insecurity now. I know a gay guy who acted regarding being gay the same as I do on being blind. He didn't go to gay events or belong to gay groups or the like: He just wanted to live a normal life with his partner.
Oh, and as to the promiscuous thing mentioned in several posts: Promiscuity, abnormal genital size and lack of love andd feelings in relationships are all commonly propagated misconceptions of disliked groups. The anti-gay crowd has borrowed their rhetoric from the 19th-century Eugenics movement who opposed mixed race marriages, and their predecessors who justified breaking up of African-American families during the latter part of the slavery period in America.
Why the gays don't talk about their opponents' use of these resources I don't know, seeing as gay people tend to come from the more educated classes it seems. But to me as a straight on the sidelines, the opponents of the gays are rather chilling.
Oh and as to marriage and definitions: Two supposed ills were invented at the latter end of the Middle Ages: Gunpowder and romantic love in marriage. Marriage for most of human history has been an unconceivable union of property and resources, how the partners got along notwithstanding. And for most of human history, adultery among male heterosexuals has been rampant, probably part of the reason religions worldwide try to stem its tide by taboos.
Marriages have been alliances between royalty, households, companies, any number of entities, and I say this is inconceivable at least to me, being a straight male raised in the latter part of the 20th century America and now married over 17 years. But there was a time not to far in the geologic past when a marriage like mine would have been inconceivable: we come from different backgrounds, classes, origins. Even groups of whites from different countries didn't marry each other that often in this country a hundred years ago. My wife would be called a German-American, and I'm a biological bastard (a role I can fulfill socially on occasion), with no real biological roots. So even without being blind, I'd have been cut out from a lot of circles, and our current union would have been seen as unnatural and inconceivable.
I'm an engineer and not a politician, and even despise politics more each year as time passes, so I don't know what the answer ultimately is, but I will say this: What we think we know today may radically change. Bill Gates at one point said there would never be a time a home user would need any more than 640 K of memory.
Now before you laugh, at that time, it was thought all advances in software could be made in a very small memory space, that using a bigger space would in fact impede performance.
Oh and although I'm a Christian convert, I'm confuzzled by some of the meanings myself. Until the latter part of the 17th century, the church declared the deaf unsavable, hellbound, because of Scriptures and things which speak of hearing the Word and becoming converts. These weren't fringe groups, they weren't out hunting down houses with deaf people and dragging them into the square for burnings. No, they were just like modern fundamentalists who live in the suburbs: fully convinced, and even felt sorry for these poor folks, but there was no hope. They had mountains of so-called evidence for their claims, and yet now we can see it's all metaphor hear meaning to listen or observe and pay attention.
So how did that change for the deaf? A priest discovered parents using hand signals for deaf kids for more than just pointing at objects but actual communication, and rather than just use one-handed gestures, invented a two-handed system, initially to preach to them, but also grant them access to reading and writing. It must be noted tha treligions don't have the same units of measure that we in the engineering and scientific communities do for evidence. They don't try experiments, run tests, collate results, and although some have borrowed scientific words, I don't think they really know what those words mean.
That's not a trash on religious leaders, they simply don't solve the same problems we solve. In fact, problem resolution may not be high on their list at times. Consider the following from the Bible: There's a place where Jesus says He would be in the "belly of the earth" for three days and three nights, "just likeJonah". Well according to accounts both Bible and secular, his death occurred on Friday afternoon , while what we Christians know to be the Resurrection took place Sunday morning. By no account is that three days and three nights. But none of us have thrown it all out because of that supposed disparity. I'm no religious expert but perhaps the meaning is more important, maybe the comparison, than literal data. the whole concept of literal data and exact times, weights, measurements, is all relatively new. Many old-world religions and conservative Christians alike hold to what some of us would call "fuzzy thinking" because we are so accustomed to exact units of measure. We can measure distances between electrons, a millionth of a second, and for modern systems to work you wouldn't want us to be anything but exact.
However, it seems that these exact measurements aren't or weren't as important to them. So back to the topic at hand, what will be discovered in the next hundred years? Fifty years? Will some religious people be left feeling rather like goofs as did some during the time when the deaf were first given sign language? Naturally there are those who seem predisposed to believe what they want: there's even still a flat-earth society, and I've been told on account of having faith I was supposedly to affect my biology, but these are / probably will be fringe people, if not sometimes rather juvenile and noisy.
Anyway yes we all ought get along as becomes a civilized society, but i think there are aspects to this that are more complicated than any on either side seem to be accounting for.

## Post 147 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Saturday, 24-Jul-2010 14:54:29

I must admit that I do get tired of beeing bombarded by the gay message, but again, we could say the same about any group. I repeat, live and let live. Don't disappoint me and I won't disappoint you.

## Post 148 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 26-Jul-2010 14:33:50

This is great! If I ever need re-assurance that I, and many of my friends are decent people, all I need to do is read through this again. I could call the creater of this board every name in the book, but I'd rather not stoop to your level. Thank you for the major self confidence boost! Keep up the good work!

## Post 149 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 26-Jul-2010 21:44:54

Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. it's sorta like going to the doctor when you're sick, then they start asking you do you have this, that and the other you haven't even heard of ... and pretty soon just because you don't have all that, you kinda say, no but I feel better already ... you people deal with all that?

## Post 150 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Tuesday, 27-Jul-2010 14:11:58

so, I wonder if being gay would be considered a disability.

## Post 151 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 27-Jul-2010 14:56:40

What makes you think that? I'm genuinely interested.

## Post 152 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Tuesday, 27-Jul-2010 15:13:35

well, if it is genetic some could argue blindness is similarly passed down. I know a few guys who are gay but they hate it, they generally just stay selabit and would much rather be strate but they just have no attraction to women. I guess the nfg would call that not excepting your gayness.
so is being gay a trate like blonde hair and blue eyes or is it a disability something you can't do anything about.
I have a lot more gay friends now than 3 or 4 years ago when I posted this topic, and I really just posted it as a spinn off on this strate bashing gay board that was here at the time.
in other words don't take everything so seriously

## Post 153 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Wednesday, 28-Jul-2010 12:53:09

So, by that logic, being left handed should be a disability then, because you can't do anything about it, and more people are right handed than left.

## Post 154 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Wednesday, 28-Jul-2010 15:36:26

is being right handed learned or is it something your born with? I was born left handed but I've taught myself to be right handed actually I can do both just depends on what I am doing!

## Post 155 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Wednesday, 28-Jul-2010 16:40:27

Well, some people are both, but most people have a preference. I've heard of a few rare cases where someone who has been gay all their life find heterosexual love. Mostly, they claim that if they had known that person all their life, they never would have turned away from heterosexual love. Anyway, my point is, whether it's a conscious choice, or just something you're born with, when it comes to love, and other such walks of life, I wouldn't consider the preference to be a disability, just as I wouldn't consider being left or right handed to be a disability. Who knows. There might be some gay people who think being straight is a disability. That doesn't mean it is.

## Post 156 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Wednesday, 28-Jul-2010 18:30:44

Hey, Roman Battle Mask, I believe there's a country in the world that does not allow women to work outside the home under any conditions, and it's called...hold onto your hat...Afghanistan. Some of these women are widowed and need a way to feed their families, and they have been condemned in the absence of remarriage to everything from starvation & malnourished children to prostitution. My own great grandmother remarried in the absence of her deceased husband as she had no other way to support her large family, and all anyone ever had to say about the step father was he put food on the table. What do you plan for widows/divorcees/those just abandonned by their husbands or husbands laid off or too sick to work?
Am not even going to comment on the rest of the post, but I agree w the original post about those being pro-GLBT not being as open minded and tolerant as they claim. I got condemned by a group of women I was once friends with, in a conversation one of them started about a gay male friend, for saying I consider human sexuality one way or the other not my business, but my limit is need of a blood transfusion & an active gay male offering. These women were so open minded & tolerant they couldn't even disagree with me to my face or ask me "Hey, Spongebob, why do you feel that way?" They got their little panties into a twist & waited until I left to tell the leader of the group how offended they were, & I couldn't return in the absence of an apology. Forget that...
Every time there is an upswing in the number of new HIV positive cases, it's frequently among gay males as some of them get cocky & disregard condoms. Forget HIV, in all my years in health care I've seen my share of gonorrhrea testing, from the rectum, on male patients. How the heck else is a man going to get the possibility of gonorrhea there unless he's a raped prison inmate? It's the old "Your reality offends my fantasy" with some of these folks, and while I treat gays & lesbians as I want to be treated, I stop short of saying a homosexual relationship is equal to a heterosexual one.

## Post 157 by Elenhiia (Feather'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr for president!) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 10:55:35

How dare you put people who fuck their dogs in the same category with those who have an interest in the same sex or who feel uncomfortable in the gender they were born with? This is not the insult an ignorant person makes toward such people, unless they are both completely ignorant and completely unintelligent. This is the insult a person who knows damn well how they are insulting gans and lesbians makes toward them. I will not discuss my views on a board created by someone who sees all four groups of people as being in the same class, nor will I waste my time reading it; thank you and good day.

## Post 158 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 11:23:05

ya and there is a guy on the sex graffiti board who fucks hi teddy bear I guess I could have included him as well. what do you call that anyway

## Post 159 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 11:47:00

A strange tale of fiction designed to rile up someone such as yourself, who has a fixation with how others perform things most of us don't look in on. That's what I call most of this. If you don't like gays dn't be one. I personally despise squash of all sorts, especially winter squash. However, I'm not writing endless posts on it, I don't raise millions of dollars defending sensible eating - the white man never ate squash until settling in the New World after all (What's the European American coming to these days!)
If you don't like it, don't be it, eat it, associate with it, buy it, or whatever. The strange and abnormal behavior of this anti crowd is for a group of people who supposedly don't like something, you sure spend a lot of time on its consideration. I don't like Elvis Presley, never saw the draw, to me he just sounds like a glorified truck driver on steroids having been hand-fed wonderbread since infancy. However, if someone likes his stuff, or if I pass an Elvis impersonator on the street, I'm not offended. I'm not throwing any money, but it doesn't offend me some goofberries have a Church of Elvis or make their pilgrimage to Graceland. If you really didn't like gays, and if you were really not taken with all of this supposed sexual activity with teddy bears and the like (both real and imagined), you wouldn't be spending any time on its consideration. The fact you and the Prop8 and others spend so much time on it illustrates your fixation.
So who else doesn't like eggplant? If you don't, are you ready to "make your stand" and start writing anti-eggplant, anti-squash propaganda? After all, most gourds are deadly poison, so start defending our way of life and the natural order of things, now!

## Post 160 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 13:45:24

I couldn't agree more with the last post. Thank you.

## Post 161 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 14:13:20

Poor feathery. I don't think this was to be taken so seriously...no need to get all riled up.

## Post 162 by someone else (Zone BBS Addict) on Saturday, 31-Jul-2010 1:59:57

Iyana,
I agree 100 % with you. And LeoGuardian, I couldn't imagine someone making an anti-squash or anti-eggplant topic. Lol!

## Post 163 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Monday, 02-Aug-2010 13:50:26

I didn't know the zone had a beastiality board...

## Post 164 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 02-Aug-2010 13:55:01

Neither did I.

## Post 165 by Reyami (I've broken five thousand! any more awards going?) on Thursday, 05-Aug-2010 18:13:38

I hav never seen a bestiality board on here.

## Post 166 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Saturday, 07-Aug-2010 12:17:08

no, it was a sort of sarcastic comment...I wouldn't expect there to be one, considering it's actually illegal in most countries...

## Post 167 by kingshand (Veteran Zoner) on Saturday, 07-Aug-2010 12:49:57

Yes I agree, do what you want just don’t shove it into our faces. ignorance is bliss

## Post 168 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 07-Aug-2010 13:04:13

why is it that when a hetero couple is affectionate towards one another in public, it isn't considered shoving it in people's faces, but when a gay/lesbian couple does the same, it's different? makes no sense whatsoever to me.

## Post 169 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Sunday, 08-Aug-2010 17:11:36

A couple is a couple, regardless of gender. At least, that's how it should be. People just seem to like to freak out and cause a scene if the situation seems unusual to them.

## Post 170 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Sunday, 08-Aug-2010 23:29:24

In the words of Jim Morison, "people are strange."

## Post 171 by kaskalora (Generic Zoner) on Friday, 13-Aug-2010 11:03:05

It's really crazy to me how any heterosexual person, regardless of religious belief, can even b remotely bother to say a damn thing of any information about a gay, or lesbiain anything.
Let's lay it on the line, shal we?
Newborn babies you all talk grandiose, self rightious shit about being reproduced, in the name of "God!" are ending up, in steddily increasing numbers, in various garbage cans, hospital parking garages, and spirit baby parks. Not just in the United states, but all around the world.
In the name of Progreation, only you heterosexuals drift from one church to another, one circle of belieff, to another in the name, or ideal of which ever girl friend/boy friend or another.
I am not having unplanned, and unwanted pregnancies in the name of God's ficticious bibblical saying, Reproduction! I plan my pregnancies! I plan them over years, choosing the father, in what ever way, whether he actualy wants to be in my child's life, or not, based on my being a Lesbian, and my own desire to become a mom!
I think that those who have all this higher than thow shit to say against us.. Try becoming foster parents! Try adopting children so you can parent despite all the deviance who didn't do it better.. Or, better yet, try just getting involved the next time you're in bed one night, and hear your next door naibor's baby scream in pain for the third time!!
kaskalora

## Post 172 by kaskalora (Generic Zoner) on Friday, 13-Aug-2010 17:59:36

Post 15 of 171 Luce. Well, to add to my own heart stopping post above, and here is Post 15 of 171 Luce! Now, I have a cousin, and my own best friend, who have both been through hell with their men who couldn't have expressed it better if they'de tried!
Mutuality, ying/yang, give/take. And a mutual desire to do what ever it takes.Now, How bout you dads who's moms put the newborn babes in the trash today, huh?

## Post 173 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 14-Aug-2010 15:42:06

I should perhaps bring up this point. It's all well and good when your anti-gay feelings are kept to the level of an opinion. It's when people decide to take their anti-gay feelings and express them through violence and murder is when it stops being a mere opinion.

## Post 174 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Sunday, 15-Aug-2010 17:06:47

Not all heterosexual people are against gay people, though.

## Post 175 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 15-Aug-2010 20:48:13

Thank goodness for that. Never really saw the point of it. OK, um, you don't like homosexuals for existing. Right, and you're going to just stop them from existing how? Hahahahahaha!

## Post 176 by Raskolnikov (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 15-Aug-2010 21:39:00

A question for you straight people who have posted on this topic and express some tolerance toward homosexuals.
How would you feel if you could see a lesbian staring directly at your breasts or at your ass, staring at you as though she wanted to take you right then and there?
How would you feel if you could see a gay man eye-balling your crotch or your ass?
What if these sexual glances were accompanied by crude remarks about your body?
For those of you who have no sight, or have never had it, this type of thing happens every single day on the bus you're traveling on, on the elevator you're riding, while you're walking on the street.
I'm not sure whether someone who has been blind all their life knows how this sort of thing makes a person feel. It has happened to me before, and even though my sight as not as good as it once was, I'm still aware that it happens. I don't worry much about it now because my sight has degraded so much that catching this type of behavior is impossible. I don't think a remark about a part of your body really gives the same effect as does intense staring. The look in a person's eyes says so much.
It is much worse for women, because they tend to wear more revealing clothes.
I have nothing against homosexuals, as long as they keep their lifestyles out of mine. But I admit that the times this this happened to me I felt uncomfortable and angry. I would feel uncomfortable if it were a strange woman who was eye-balling my crotch, so it has nothing to do with homophobia.
Maybe someone here will understand what I'm saying.
I just want to know what the straight people posting on here who are tolerant of homosexuals have to say about this.
Would seeing a homosexual staring at you a little too much make you feel uncomfortable? Would perverted remarks about your body make you angry?

## Post 177 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Sunday, 15-Aug-2010 23:46:35

The key word there is perverted remarks, and obviously yes. I've known people both gay and straight who were prone to said behavior, and others who don't like it. Basically gays will have to follow the same rules of social conduct as the rest of us, and most do in social circles anyhow.

## Post 178 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Monday, 16-Aug-2010 2:40:19

I think women have to put up with this same sort of crap from straight men all the time, no? How many times have I heard a woman talk about how some strange guy mentally undressed her and the likes? That usually doesn't cause most women to hate all straight men. I do understand your point though. I think that anyone has the potential to make someone uncomfortable sexually, no matter the gendor or orientation. I would think that a straight person can be tollerent of gays without it having to mean that they're still not a bit weirded out by the real creaps. Sure, there are creeps and perves of both gendors and all orientations. Just my ramblings.

## Post 179 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 16-Aug-2010 8:39:29

I would react the same way as I would if any random person hit on me, whether they were male or female.

## Post 180 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 16-Aug-2010 8:45:35

I agree with ocean dream; it's the same concept no matter ones gender or sexual orientation.

## Post 181 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Thursday, 19-Aug-2010 13:49:21

Nobody wants to be stared at.

## Post 182 by Real Pimps Use Dial Up (Stop, drop, and belly rolls) on Tuesday, 07-Dec-2010 9:35:14

Hmm... religious topics? Ok then, god created man and women to love him, not each other... Does anyone recall a certain fruit that was eaten that caused gods plans to go astray?
the argument makes absolutely no sense.. blah no.. no... no... i am not getting into a religious debate
I believe that marriage should be between 2 people who without a dbout falsely believe that they want to be together forever...
if a gay couple want to screw up their lives by getting married, then by golly why the heck not?

## Post 183 by ThaCake (Not the best, just better than you.) on Tuesday, 07-Dec-2010 9:47:29

I will cause many more people to hate me for being me by just simply feeling the way i feel so, here it goes. I believe, live and let live. If u are worried about what 2 people of the same gender do behind closed dors, u are just as gay as they are. Also, if u are worried about that over all the other messed up stuff in the world, get your priorities straight. and, finally i agree with shane. but also will not get in a religious debate because most religious people cannot wrap their minds around things that their god did not instruct them on in their multiple forms of holy books therefore, cannot be told anything. it is just another reason to hate another being, we have plenty more. find one worth while.

## Post 184 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Tuesday, 07-Dec-2010 14:11:52

This topic has lots of 'anti' in the title.
Who gives a rat's ass what you're against? Being against things is the luxury of the spoiled rotten who are probably provided for by the rest of us.
If you say you're 'for' this or 'for' that, the next question is: What are you doing to make it happen then?
If you need someone to work on your gas furnace, you're not looking for someone who's anti-electric-furnaces. You don't even want a pro-gas-furnace advocate. You want someone who'll actually help you by actually doing something ... that's real.
What will we have next? Resumes and advertisements you have to read backwards because they only write down what they're against? Then when you do the math to see what they're 'for' you find it's all equally useless because ... they're not doing anything ...
Anyone concerned about marriage would work to reduce frivolous divorce rates, increase fidelity, increase fathers' involvement in the home, stuff like that.

## Post 185 by Elenhiia (Feather'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr'rr for president!) on Tuesday, 07-Dec-2010 17:02:42

Rask, straights get as much bad attention from the same sex as gays get from the opposite one. So don't even bring that up. I don't want to listen to shit that is not relevant to what's going on. If I see a woman that I do not find attractive making advances, I will have the same reaction I would to an unattractive man.
And the only reason a gay couple screw up their lives when they marry is because of how people will treat them, which, I'm not sad to say get over it, is all their tormentors' fault, not their own. I am Pagan and it is not my fault if people hate me. It's their problem, not mine, and I won't lose sleep because of their petty dislikes. same for gays. People who won't hire someone because of religion, orientation, race, anything like that, are dicks and not worth my time. I am only intolerant of intolerance itself.
Next.

## Post 186 by illumination (Darkness is history.) on Thursday, 09-Dec-2010 22:25:27

So quick question. If this is a free country, then why aren't gays allowed to marry in some states? I'm not a gay person, and I personally don't believe in gayness, but for those who want to be gay and marry the same gender, leave them alone, for the love of pumpkin pies and eggnog! It's not lik they're going to sit on their asses all the time and try hurting us. Gays are gays and straights are straights. I don't care if you're against gay people or not, we should be open-minded and respect other peoples views on this matter. And the same goes for the poloticians who personally believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. If you don't respect other people's views, obviously you're going to get a lot of flack for it. So as I said, state your beliefs, but respect other people's views. Who gives a crap what people do behind closed doors? It's their life, for crying out loud!

## Post 187 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Friday, 10-Dec-2010 13:53:15

Here's my take on the whole thing: DILLIGARA
Do I look like I give a rat's ass? I don't.
If you show me respect, and don't stick your nose into my personal sex life and what other personal life I have, I will do the same for you. I couldn't possibly care any less what you're doing in the prifacy of your bedroom, or wherever you're doing it, and who you're doing it with. Just as long as you don't force your views and oppinions on me, I won't force mine on you. Kuz most gays I know have tried hard to make me feel guilty for my personal oppinion on gays and bi-sexuals, but I won't talk about it if you don't. Yes, live and let live. Nicely put.
Jessie

## Post 188 by UniqueOne (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 06-May-2011 4:43:28

Ok, I didn't read all the posts in this topic, cause there's a lot of them however I will say this.
I don't care who someone sleeps with as long as it isn't against the law. Since being gay or bisexual isn't against the law then it's fine.
Now, the one complaint I'll say about a lot of gays that I've known and even bisexuals is that they have to anounce..make known the fact that they're bi. It's like, gays and what not always talk about how they want to be treated just like everyone else..but then why do they say things like, "I'm bisexual but I'm just like everyone else..." etc. I mean, I've read some profiles here on the zone and one of them was like, "I'm bisexual but don't judge me..."
I don't put in my profile, "I'm straight don't judge me treat me like everyone else..."
That's just my thought on the whole thing. Who cares if you're bi or gay or whatever you are? Maybe if you'd stop brodcasting it it'll stop mattering.

## Post 189 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 06-May-2011 11:49:02

"Maybe if you'd stop brodcasting it'll stop mattering." Agree totally.
As far as the spiritual aspect, both the Old Testament and Qu'ran criticize the male/male relationship in particular, but, not being an Arabic speaker and noun forms changing in this language depending on if you're referring to one/two/or more than two, and male/female/dual, plural, I'd be interested to see if this revelation says anything at all about females loving each other. Unfortunately, the verse "A man laying with another man dies surely as a man laying with a harlot" has proved prophetic with male homosexuals...the public health clinic here that treats a lot of 'em revealed that 63% of all new HIV+ cases were male homosexuals.
But the way I see it laws aren't formulated on behaviors people couldn't or wouldn't engage in, so for whatever reason...I don't think any moral human being will ever know why...some folks are attracted to members of the same sex. I'll extend to them as human beings the same benefit of the doubt as I do straights until they give me a reason to do otherwise, but I agree it shouldn't necessarily be something to put on display.

## Post 190 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 06-May-2011 11:50:07

Sorry, typo, meant "mortal" human being...

## Post 191 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Friday, 06-May-2011 16:50:25

I agree, to a point. As far as straight people broadcasting, what exactly would you call it when a man and woman, (or sometimes even groups of men and women,) are in public quicknote land and being very explicit, talking about what they want to do to or with each other? The guys are wanting to eat pussy, and the girls are wanting to suck dick... are the gay people just supposed to sit back and not say anything? The straights don't want the gays flaunting it everywhere, so why the double standard?

## Post 192 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 06-May-2011 18:20:37

What do I call straights on public quicknote land being explicit about what they want to do with each other sexually? I don't know since I had quicknotes disabled, and topics of explicit sexual interest among straights? I call it something I'm not interested in and find something I am. Is that a double standard? I consider the sexual relation, gay or straight, something to be left to the imagination.

## Post 193 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Wednesday, 11-May-2011 16:23:10

If you're gay, fine. If you're bi, fine. If you're straight, fine. I don't care. Anthony, if you wind up dating a guy on this site and start being as sexual in publics as I am with men sometimes, go for it. Trust me darlin, it won't bother me none. I can't speak for everyone, but for me, as long as you're treating me with respect and are not forcing you're opinions on me, I don't give a shit who you're sleeping with. Quite honestly, it makes me angry when straight people hate on gays, and vice versa. It's a lot of shit. If gay people sleeping with each other violates your own personal beliefs, stay away from gay people and don't associate with them. But what is it gonna do bitching and talking shit about them? People are still gonna be gay, whether you like it or not. You're approval couldn't make a lick of difference to gay people anyway, unless you're threatening their lives. (No comment).
So my little rant here is expressing my opinion that it's my life, I'll do what I want with it. I'll love who I want, I'm attracted to who I want, and I'll sleep with who I want. I expect every fucking person I meet, gay or straight or otherwise, to respect that, and I'll give them that respect in return. All my jokes about gays and kidding around saying that I don't believe in homosexuality is gone. I'm serious. I was raised to be homofobic, and I'm just not that way.
Now, that's over. lol, peace out lovelies.
Jessie

## Post 194 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Wednesday, 11-May-2011 17:48:47

Jessie. I've been in enough sexual situations in public quicknotes with you that I'm pretty comfortable around you. I've never had the first problem with you. I've never seen you hate on anyone for their sexual prefference. If there's a lot of straight sex talk in publics, and there's a guy there that I feel comfortable being sexually explicit with, by all means, I'll speak up, unless I know that it would make him uncomfortable to act gay in public. I figure I can do it just as much as the next person can, no matter the prefference. It's all good, and there've definitely been some interesting conversations out there when you and I were in publics.

## Post 195 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Thursday, 12-May-2011 19:09:55

For anyone reading this board with a reader and no Braille display / hasn't figured out yet how to make the reader spell things, for all they know, Post one is an Auntie: An Auntie Gay, Auntie Lesbian and so on, those most Aunties only go by one name.

## Post 196 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Sunday, 15-May-2011 17:02:23

Okay, maybe this shouldn't bother me, but it does. A straight person can broadcast all they want, but if a gay person does it, it's somehow wrong and bad.
Quoted from a user's profile: all you sexy women,,, if you want a picture of me just ask. If you cant see me then get some one who can tell you how I look. Lol just kidding lol
But if a guy says in his profile that he's willing to give a picture to all the sexy men if they want it, why should it be considered different? Both of them are broadcast messages, right? If I've got this whole thing wrong, I hope someone can correct me.

## Post 197 by UniqueOne (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 19-May-2011 22:35:36

Personally, I think it's creepy if someone says, "hey sexy ladies if you want a pic of me (the sexy guy) than just ask.." it makes that straight person sound pathetic. I'd say the same if a gay man puts that on his profile for possibly other gay men to find it etc. etc.
I mean, I have a boyfriend but I don't like to brodcast that fact in my profile. I guess I just don't like putting nonimportant info in people's face.
I've just never cared if someone's bi, gay, straight..etc. etc. Like I said above, as long as it isn't against the criminal law it's cool with me. :)

## Post 198 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Friday, 20-May-2011 4:41:14

ah, I feel a bit better, knowing you don't have a double standard then. I do see a lot of sex talk here on the zone, mostly straight folks putting on quite the public show or bragging in their profiles. I'm a voyeur at heart, so it's cool with me. I just don't like the idea that it's okay and even encouraged if the straight folks are all over each other, while the gays have to hide and walk on eggshells to keep from offending those who don't want to see it flaunted. Maybe I'm the one in the wrong, but I just see something wrong with that picture. And as far as not advertizing, when men and women meet up, it's usually assumed that they're straight, so if you're not, or if you fall outside the quote, norm, if you can't do any sort of advertizing, how would you go about finding someone? If a man and woman meet up in a bar, are they only thinking of intelectual subjects? Does the idea of sex or attraction never enter the equasion? So many times, I hear guys talking about how they wish they had a girlfriend, or hear the women talking about how hot a guy is. I just think that it's only fair then if gays and lesbians say what they want and desire as well.

## Post 199 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 20-May-2011 19:01:13

I'm not sure why saying one has a partner is flaunting.
I have that I am married in this profile, my profile on Facebook and the pipe smokers forum I'm a member of. It's so much as to say I'm not a target of the single online crowd.
I would assume this sort of monogamous behavior would not be restricted to heterosexuals but would extend to all monogamous relationships. So a man saying in his profile he has a boyfriend would not be flaunting.
Also if I were a member of a forum on which there were a high number of gay people, and wrote I was married like here, I doubt they would say I was flaunting. It wouldn't be a bad thing on such a place if I set the record straight, was straightforward adn said I am a heterosexual. Then nobody takes a dead-end interest.
None of this is either flaunting, or hiding unresolved sexuality issues, it's called being straight with people, pardon the pun Anthony, and when a gay person does it, to me they're just being honest. Provided there's mutual respect, nothing else matters.

## Post 200 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Thursday, 26-May-2011 23:51:51

Well, Anthony, as horrible as this is, some people still have the belief that gays are sinners. I was raised with the belief that gays are confused, or simply "not one of us", but I've never really grasped that. I'll say something i've never said on the internet in my short, young life: I've had crushes on women. I've liked women. I've wondered if I was gay or bi. Hell, I'm still wondering if I'm gay or bi. Shit, I've never been with a woman, how the hell am I supposed to know. So I consider myself straight until I can have proof otherwise. Like if I happen to have sex with a woman one day and like it as much or more than I like sex with men, (and God knows I've had plenty of sex with men). I first told my mom, and I didn't even make a big deal out of it, that I had a crush on a girl in 3rd grade. She didn't freak out, but she was very clearly disapproving, and she told my father, WHO didn't live with us at the time. He apparently was very confused, and said "Why does she like girls? She's a girl!"
I don't know, I say I'm straight, and I'm gonna keep it that way until I have proof otherwise. But the point I'm trying to make is that there are people like me, who don't give a shit who you fuck, and there are people who are still homofobic and proud of it. who believe that gay people are weird, or worse, sinners. The devil's servants, some of them. That's probably why, Anthony. It'll most likely change with time, and gay people will have as much PDA freedom as straight people, but right now there are still ignorant, overly conservative people who are scared to death of gay people. It's for your guys's protection against these ... fools (I'm being a sweet widdle girl), that you guys keep it a little more private.
Jessie

## Post 201 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 27-May-2011 9:18:30

ah this topic made it to the top again!
I originally posted it to get a rize out of a bunch of people! it still does that!

## Post 202 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Friday, 27-May-2011 11:18:37

But it's also sparked some great discussion, so I'm thankful you did start the topic.

## Post 203 by Texas Shawn (The cute, cuddley, little furr ball) on Friday, 27-May-2011 11:55:00

at the time nobody was thrilled. grin.

## Post 204 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Friday, 27-May-2011 12:41:10

Yes, but unlike a hundred years ago and longer, religion doesn't control the law. At least, not in the sense that gays can be executed for admitting this. So I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the whole protection thing. Protection against...criticism? Well, last time I checked, most gays, and even a lot of straights, don't give a damn about what others think about their sexuality, at least once they've opened up about it and are comfortable with it.

## Post 205 by sugar (Entertain me. I dare you.) on Saturday, 28-May-2011 14:56:57

I knew there was a reason I hardly come on here anymore. People aren't hurting you, get the hell over it. Small-minded bigotry is in no way attractive. I've never seen anything quite so narrow minded in a long time.

## Post 206 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Saturday, 28-May-2011 19:46:21

In a way I concur with the previous poster: Watch out for the fashion-cowardly turncoats if you're gay. Look and see if and how they stereotype other groups, and at that point you'll know what they will do to you once it becomes fashionable to do so.
But not all us straights are supporters because of fashion: you can see by how any of us post about other groups or alleged kinds, and then you'll know whether support coming from any of us is for real or just fashion-cowardly pretentious nonsense.
After all, in principle, if it is fine to shamelessly stereotype one group, by definition that puts any other group up for grabs as soon as it's fashionable to do so.
I concur with the last poster: your protection is what is of paramount importance.

## Post 207 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Saturday, 28-May-2011 19:59:41

Well, yeah, protection from ... i don't know, crazy ass psychos who decide that gays are one big problem, and anyone who's gay is a problem as well. The only thing that could really happen to you on the internet, unless you're like really out there, is criticism. Of course, you never know. Gays aren't as accepted as they think quite yet, not quiet yet. Not by everyone, just a few key straight people who get it.

## Post 208 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Saturday, 28-May-2011 20:10:28

This is true, as I have seen by what my friend, her wife and family, all go through. And the fashionable supportive types, the same ones no doubt who express stereotypes about others, are not really that supportive of my friend and her family.
They're living in San Francisco and don't mind the fog, so that helps: unless they have to travel, then it's carry the adoption papers / proof / etc., as did black/white couples over 40 years ago in the north and maybe still now some places in the South.

## Post 209 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Sunday, 29-May-2011 21:21:07

Yup, I compare it to anti-blacks back earlier in the 20th century or so, blacks were free but were certainly not treated well in some parts of the country. If I was a straight white patriarchy male in the south back in 1940 or before, and a black family moved in nextdoor to me, I wouldn't be very friendly. That's how it still is for gay headed families and gay couples in some places.

## Post 210 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Monday, 13-Jun-2011 12:12:28

If you're gay I could care less. I'm not gonna change your mind or "get the gay out of you."

## Post 211 by PWDragon (Generic Zoner) on Monday, 11-Jul-2011 3:02:12

I believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder and/or psychological disorder. Why in our current times is it not considered a mental disorder? Because of political influence. That being said, is there a cure for homosexuality? At this time, no. But research is making progress. "By injecting a mice with a chemical that restores the 5HT levels to normal the formerly gay mice showed preference for female mice over male mice. I.E. For lack of a better term, they were "cured" of their homosexuality."&LT;P>
Many will argue that since animals are gay homosexuality is natural. However, I believe that animals can have mental issues just as human beings can.&LT;P>
Does God hate gays and lesbians? No, of course not. I certainly think all of us are born with certain challenges. We live in a world that is far from perfect. I personally think Pastor Joel Osteen has it correct when he says, "Homosexuality is not God's best". The same thing could be said of a man commits sexual sin against his wife.&LT;P>
As far as marriage is concerned, if gays and lesbian couples want to be together I think what they do inside their own homes is their business. However, I don't believe religious institutions should be forced to marry gay couples.

## Post 212 by Agent r08 (Jesus Christ on a chocolate cross) on Monday, 11-Jul-2011 10:15:09

I had this long beautifully thought out post for dragon and of course the site times me out.
Firstly dragon your an idiot the research you cited says nothing about homosexuality being a mental illness, it only showed that homosexuality can be manipulated both genetically and molecularly, nothing about "mental disorder" any sort.
also, sexual orientation be manipulated by hormonally as well, there goes your mental illness idea out the door.
So your idea of homosexuality being a "mental disorder" is not only WRONG!!!! but it is also outdated idea and has been debunked by REAL science for decades now. This is 2011 not the 1960's.
Now to your argument using god. Anyone who listens to a book written by ignorant sheep herders over modern science needs to have their heads examined, seriously.
This struck me as odd as well. "Homosexuality is not God's best"
Well now a god with an imperfect human trait? hardly sounds like an omnipotent deity to me, one has to wonder why such a being is worshiped at all.
Why can't we force religious institutions to marry gay couples? these same institutions force their religion down other peoples throats all the time, and they love using the political system to do this as well.
Of course you will come back and cite seperation of church and state. Keep the church out of our government, and we will keep the government out of your church.
Look up blue laws, or how many states, counties, and cities have laws saying only christians can run for public office.
Your state is one of these, actually now that I think about it no wonder you have such an ass backwards way of thinking about this, you live in the bible belt....that explains a lot now.

## Post 213 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 11-Jul-2011 17:44:41

PW Dragon, what if I said your way of thinking was a mental disorder? I mean, of course I'm wrong, but why do you suppose that is? Because everyone has different ways of thinking and viewing certain aspects of life. If each one was considered a mental disorder by everyone else, well, then, I guess we're all mentally disabled. Many drugs can monipulate certain behaviors, but this doesn't mean the monipulation is a cure.
I don't think religious institutions should be forced to perform marriages for homosexuals, but they should be allowed to marry by any other person authorized to perform civil ceremonies. I do agree with Dracula when he says keep your religion out of our government, and we'll keep our government out of your religion. As of now, the two are still joined in some ways. this is beyond sad, in my opinion.

## Post 214 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Monday, 11-Jul-2011 17:59:30

So, is it safe to assume that if they can come up with a pill to alter one's sexual attraction, they can also eventually come up with one to alter religious persuasion or anything else that is deamed undesireable? People are already sheeple enough as it is.
I'm half asleep, and when I'm awake and look back on this, I might think my question is silly, but that appears to be essentially what you are suggesting, dragon. Fine, our kid doesn't like tomatos? we'll just go to the doctor, change a few chemicals around and the kid will like them. We're poor, but our kid has expensive tastes. Hmmm, that's a mental disorder caused by a chemical imbalance and should be dealt with immediately. here, kiddo, take this dose of toughshitatrin and you'll be good as new in no time at all.
In your defense, at least you did say that this is what you believe, instead of, "This is how it is."

## Post 215 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2011 7:54:21

yes. I'll give you credit for at least that, but I still have to wonder why. To say you don't personally believe in a certain way of thinking or living is one thing, but to say it's a mental disorder and that anyone suffering from this disorder needs to be cured is quite another, I would say.

## Post 216 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2011 18:53:54

Post 211, by PW dragon, is so terribly unreasonable that it’s honestly unnecessary to point out all the flaws in this person’s thinking. I will anyways because the fact that it’s so ridiculous doesn’t stop it from being offensive, and I feel like I need to make it clear that this post should be completely disregarded.
First of all, what you say is that there is currently no cure for homosexuality simply because of political influence and the media putting gays in a better light. I have to correct ya there, dragon, for sadly, the reason that there’s no cure for it is because it’s not something that can be cured. Homosexuality is not a mental disorder, on the contrary, it’s something as utterly uncontrollable as blindness. I want everyone to consider this. Let’s replace the word “Homosexuality” with “blindness”. It may sound totally ridiculous, but that’s the point. If we could get to a point where we realize that being gay is something that you’re born with, and something that you simply can’t change, we’ll all be better off. Now I’ll turn this around, and I’m gonna tell all you nice people, from a sighted person’s point of view, that you are mentally ill for being blind/V.I. You are sinners, and the church should not be forced to marry you because of your lack of sight. It’s got a slightly bitter taste to it, doesn’t it?
I've read the entire Bible, and never once did I read that it was a damnable sin for a woman to be with another woman or a man with another man. I know it says that man and woman were together, and that the biblical couple is a man and a woman. But I'd love it if someone would point out to me where it says "Men and women belong together, and men who are with men or women who are with men are not following in the light of the Lord." My friend once told me that God believes that homosexuality is unnatural or a sin. Who are you to talk for God? Are you God's hired spokesman? If God really wanted us all to be straight, we'd all be straight. And just for the record, if we're saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry because that's not in the Bible, then we might as well go back to biblical times altogether. Hell, women, get on your knees in fron of your husbands and submit, bear children, and despite how much he beats you or otherwise abuses you, you can't divorce him. Let's drag the people from the country nextdoor to be our slaves and tend to our crops; or better yet, let's go slay ourselves! Bottom line, we're in the 21st century, and even if the Bible did say the homosexuality is a sin, it also somewhat says that women are stupid.
As far as the church is concerned, I’m going to say something that I’ve believed in wholeheartedly since I realized that I was attracted to both men and women: My God loves me for who I am and what I do. I believe that my God wants me to live and let live, be happy, find love and have fun. I may be wrong, but sending a person to hell for loving someone of their own sex doesn’t sound terribly God-like. If I’m damned for loving someone, whether it be a man or woman, then I’m headed for the fires and there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I don’t believe this is the case, but eh, what do I know? All I know is that I’m bisexual, have been for a while, and I’ve been denying it. I don’t do that anymore because I can’t control it, and I can’t hide something that I can’t control. I was watching a show a little while back where a pastor and his wife had the nerve to tell a 16 year old boy that he was a sinner for being attracted to men. They preformed what they called a “Banishing of an evil spirit” in order to somehow make him straight. Afterwords the boy said he was attracted to women, but later confessed that it wasn’t true. He tried so hard to believe that he could be straight, but it didn’t work. That’s because there was nothing that the church or anyone else could do to make him straight. You can change your behavior, have sex with people of the opposite sex and say your straight to everyone including yourself, but what you can’t change is who you are. If you are naturally attracted to the same sex, that’s part of you as a person, and no one can change that.
I gave a mouse a shot. When it previously was attracted to male mice, it is now attracted to females. Oh, hmm, this must mean that this shot, or something similar, will change the chemical reactions in gay humans. Well I hate to burst your bubble, but if you shoot something into my arm or make me swallow a pill, I won’t suddenly find females repulsive. I won’t suddenly be strictly attracted to males. Sadly, the human brain is much more intelegent than a mouse’s brain, or any other animal’s for that matter. The reason that shot worked to straighten out the mouse is because the mouse was probably only chemically attracted to males, and after the shot its chemical reaction changed. Unfortunately, humans are not simply attracted through chemicals and such, but through more pointed reasons,. As a matter of fact, there are so many reasons that people are attracted to each other that it’s hard to say. So that’s barely worth mention but it’s quite amusing if you ask me.
There are other aspects of this post that might deserve some attention, but Rob, Jessica, and Anthony hit the nail on the head.

## Post 217 by rebelwoman (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2011 19:06:29

I'm gonna post this now, I think it holds a very good message. It shows how rediculous homophobic views can be:
* What do you think caused your heterosexuality?
* When and how did you decide you were heterosexual?
* Is it possible that heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?
* Is it possible your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?
* If you've never slept with someone of the same sex, is it possible that all you need is a good same-sex lover?
* To whom have you disclosed your heterosexual tendencies? How did they react?
* Why do heterosexuals place so much emphasis on sex?
* Why do heterosexuals feel compelled to seduce others into their lifestyle?
* Why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? Why can't you just he who you are and keep quiet about it?
* Studies show that more than 95 percent of child molesters are heterosexual. Do you consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?
* With all the social support marriage receives, the divorce rate is still 50 percent. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?
* Heterosexuals are noted for adhering to narrowly restricted, stereotyped sex roles. Why do you cling to such an unhealthy form of role playing?
* Looking at the news media, there seem to he so few happy heterosexuals.
* Techniques have been developed that might enable you to change. Have you considered aversion therapy?
* Why do you make a point of attributing heterosexuality to famous people? Is it to justify your own heterosexuality?
* Considering the menace of hunger and overpopulation, can the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like yourself?
* The group with the fastest-growing number of AIDS cases is heterosexual. Shouldn't we prohibit sex between heterosexuals?
--DEVELOPED BY MARTIN ROCHLIN, PH.D.
Tell me what you think of that.

## Post 218 by PWDragon (Generic Zoner) on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011 7:17:16

If I've offended anyone I whole-heatedly refuse to apologize. My opinions are my own. It's always funny to me how defensive those who support homosexuality are. They quickly resort to name-calling or say something along the lines of "this post should be disregarded" or "you're ignorant" to those who happen to disagree with their view. Why? First because they refuse to listen to anyone who has a different point of view. Second, because people don't like to be told that something is wrong. It's as simple as that. To compare homosexuality with blindness (or any other handicap for that matter) is utterly ludicrous. I won't bother to say more on the subject. I've said my brief piece already. Civil, reasonable discussion on this topic is seemingly impossible.

## Post 219 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011 8:36:46

Speaking only for myself, I think I gave you plenty to work with, didn't call any names or hurl any insults and asked my questions and showed my reasoning in a pretty nonjudgemental way. You say that we just don't like to be told we're wrong, but could the same be said of you? from your last post, it would appear so.

## Post 220 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011 10:23:07

I couldn't agree more. very well said, Anthony.

## Post 221 by Agent r08 (Jesus Christ on a chocolate cross) on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011 12:54:07

PWDragon. If your going to cite research to back up your outdated ways of thinking then at least make sure you thoroughly read it and make sure it supports your claims.
Also using a 2,000 year old book written by ignorant sheep herders doesn't support your opinions either.
The reason I called you an idiot is because of the "research" you pointed to that had nothing to do with your points.
Also referring to someone as ignorant is not name calling. Try looking up the word okay. You are ignorant, when it comes to this topic because your basing an opinion on out dated ideas and religious dogma.

## Post 222 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Sunday, 17-Jul-2011 18:51:54

another thing I can't understand is how you're claiming this isn't civil, reasonable discussion. I don't know where you're from, but in most parts of the world, a person presents a point, and others subsequently respond. Nowhere does it say in any book that we have to respond a certain way. If you think that we do in order to have a reasonable discussion, you're probably better off sticking with your little tight community of people who apparently carry out discussions this way.

## Post 223 by The 5th Teletubby (Generic Zoner) on Monday, 10-Oct-2011 23:56:49

Well you know why the Bible condemns homosexuality is because it waistes the seed? It's laughable, but there it is. And as for how natural it is, there are more species that include homosexuality than I can think of right now, & just because you can chemicly make a rat prefer females it doesn't mean you can do it to us functioning minds. :P

## Post 224 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Tuesday, 25-Oct-2011 14:54:23

As far as wasting the seed goes:
Hahaha! Look, do you know how much seed is wasted every day? Now I have stated my views on gay people. If you are gay, so what? It doesn't have anything to do with me.
Now I have some, and I do mean some, issues with gay marrage because let's be truthful, it's not the norm. But again, so what? It has nothing to do with me.

## Post 225 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 25-Oct-2011 16:31:54

I can shoot down the wasting seed argument so easily, it isn't even funny. and I'm not even claiming to be an expert in debating, either. First of all, statistically, I have no earthly idea how many times a man will ejaculate in his lifetime, but I'm sure that the number of those times one of his ejaculations gets someone pregnant is less than a tenth of a percentage. and if it's more, most people aren't going to justify that by saying, "Well, he was making use of his seed". No. Most people are going to call that sleeping around, because there's no physical way he could be using all his seed on the same woman.
Secondly, with all the vvarious methods of contraception out there now adays, even with straight couples, chances are, seed is getting wasted because they're going to be having sex before they have kids. If they're having kids right away, before they really get to know if they're really compatible with one another, most people wouldn't justify that with, "Well, they're making use of the seed". No, most people would call that irresponsible.
Last, but certainly not least, you want to outlaw something because a bit of seed may get spilled, which, by the way, has the potential to go towards bringing unwanted children into this world who may end up being mistreated? OK. Even from a religious standpoint that doesn't make sense. all the evil deeds you call sins; murdering, cheating, stealing, violence on so many levels, and you want to spend your energy thinking about some dude's ejaculation that might not be making a baby? Sounds like your energy is what's being wasted here.

## Post 226 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Wednesday, 26-Oct-2011 0:27:46

You know, I don't know how I should feel about having my seed critesised. lol!

## Post 227 by The 5th Teletubby (Generic Zoner) on Friday, 11-Nov-2011 19:27:30

lol well I'm glad of all the gay supporters. :D Yes, most people don't know that the Bible's argument against homosexuals is wasting the fucking seed. I just tell those damn Bible thumpers if you're so interested in who's fucking me, there's obviously something wrong with the people fucking you. How many times have your mommy & daddy had sex without making babies? :P And other than that, there's no other argument they can make against me & my fellow gays other than we're unnatural, which we're not. And if we are: who gives a fuck? Why do they care, is my question. Uh, I'll never understand it, and I'll never care to.

## Post 228 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Saturday, 12-Nov-2011 6:36:29

Hmmm, before I criticised the seed, I'd have to sample it. It wouldn't be fair otherwise, right? Now now... Calm down, lil fella... LOL

## Post 229 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Tuesday, 15-Nov-2011 22:24:24

behave yourself lol.

## Post 230 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Tuesday, 15-Nov-2011 23:50:48

But but but... Behaving myself is so boring! :P

## Post 231 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Tuesday, 30-Dec-2014 21:42:53

Because of the What a pastor promises to do if his children are gay board, I figured this board ought to be brought back so some comparisons could be made and insight gained. I think the two boards really do go hand in hand.

## Post 232 by Grand_Admiral_Thrawn (Veteran Zoner) on Saturday, 07-Mar-2015 2:10:07

You know what I fine entertaining? You religious types, a lot of you, specially you Christians are so self-righteous. Don't you know that this is the very conduct that seperates you from God? You keep on saying God says this, God says that, and you feel free to condemn others as if you had God's authority on the matter. You say gays will go to hell, Lesbians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. etc. etc. You keep sending people to hell at your will. Thank God you aren't the ones who make the decision. You are the source of your own distruction. One day, there won't be a Christian person left on this Earth, not because of unbelief, but because you have destroyed your own religion through sheer arrogance, pride and stupidity.

## Post 233 by pianoplayer4jesus (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Saturday, 07-Mar-2015 18:00:13

No one has the right to judge others. Only God does.

## Post 234 by Binary solo (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Sunday, 08-Mar-2015 17:35:16

You forgot to add bdsm in the description of this stupid board.

## Post 235 by Grand_Admiral_Thrawn (Veteran Zoner) on Saturday, 28-Mar-2015 14:51:51

Piano, if you're religious at all, then I'm afraid you seem to be in the minority from what I've seen.

## Post 236 by pianoplayer4jesus (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Saturday, 28-Mar-2015 15:18:18

Yep I agree with you there. As a christian it's not my job to judge others.

## Post 237 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 28-Mar-2015 19:02:37

that's bologna. it's human nature for us to judge others, and it isn't a bad thing to do. sure it's perceived as such by many people, but that doesn't make it true.
everyone is entitled to their opinions, and the person who started this topic (along with me and others) believes that homosexuality is the wrong way to be.

## Post 238 by pianoplayer4jesus (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Sunday, 29-Mar-2015 8:35:28

It is true that we judge the people that we want to associate with by whatever
criteria we deem appropriate to our individuality. It is another thing for us to
judge someone's religious destiny. We are not God and can not pass judgement
on one's damnation. Right or wrong is regardless we all fall short by some
means no matter what.

## Post 239 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Thursday, 14-May-2015 16:39:29

And it is no wonder. Measuring people by such a yardstick as the Bible...well don't get me started on that one.